I don't believe you.

In the beginning, the cars.gov site had a license agreement that stated something to the effect that the COMPUTER logging in would be government property; that the dealer would be waiving his privacy rights, etc. The private checking account business is associated with the health care bills. That waiver was on the website, and was taken down shortly after because of complaints.

Wow look at that tool work. He is worse than the Bible Code losers.

 
I mean no disrespect, but every time I hear this kind of fear mongering, I flash back to this YouTube video.

Facts vs. fiction.

Sorry, but I really think you do mean disrespect.

Or, are you really just that ignorant?

you know, there are just so many issues here that forest gets ignored for the trees. if you think health care is just for those that have health insurance, then you'll probably lose yours at some point because the cost to your employer will be too great to provide. if you think free trade is the answer, wait until your job is farmed out to the lowest bidder. if you think the market will regulate itself, oops that one has already happened, hasn't it. madoff goes to jail for his get rich efforts while the ceo's of those companies that caused the collapse get bonuses.

my point is the lack of common ground. that old "united we stand, divided we fall" kind of thing. we are a divided nation and as a divided nation will never be in charge of our destiny. we give that control to those that control the media and as long as that is based on market share, well you can probably figure it out from here.

if we did the right thing (with integrity, being responsible, etc.) regardless of our personal feelings, beck would be tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail. we all need health care, we all need jobs and we need a trade policy that reflects quid pro quo. the golden rule should prevail instead of those that have the gold make the rules.

Glenn Beck = ASS CLOWN

I agree absolutely with everything you wrote except the tarring and feathering business. I'm no fan of Beck's nor any other of the talking heads. They're in it for the money and whatever they pass off for "ideals", certainly not the public good. They're in time slots and supported by advertisers interested in hawking their wares. The truth is far from all of them.

Karen probably came closest to a real truth: We have limited time here, and should be enjoying precious moments, creating beauty for ourselves and others.

I've often written here in Forums that America is Advanced Democracy. That means (among other things) one has the right to free speech. It also means to protect that precious freedom, one has to be willing to fight to the death to protect it even if that means doing it for someone/something you find personally/intellectually abhorrent.

I have lost the belief that there are many or any that feel that way anymore. That being said, I hope and pray I'm wrong for if I am not, the obvious meaning for America is all too clear.

We become all too easily diverted from the enemies we cannot see: Those who truly control our lives because they have the money and power. Beck, Olbermann.... any of the entertainers you mention are digital age side shows. Nothing more. If we can be so easily provoked to anger and rage, they've done their masters' bidding.

I hope we can all strive to be better and smarter than that.

“If you argue and rankle and contradict, you may achieve a temporary victory - sometimes; but it will be an empty victory because you will never get your opponent's good will” - Benjamin Franklin

Guilt by association. This did wonders for innocent American Muslims after 9/11.

RIght. Like Chrysler who mismanaged their comapny to the tune of $4 billion in governmetn loans. And then to actually give the UAW a say in how things are run so they can no longer sit on the side and scream they are treated unfairly ...why...that's almost like..creating a co-op. I hope the power companies don't hear about this. You may wanna pray that China doesn't decide to collect on their loans, like all the money BUSH borrowed for his incentive plan.

IF we are going to base our opinions of someone by what they did in university, I think the majority of us are in trouble. Except me, of course. I never did ANYTHING in college that could be miscunstrood as anti-social, illegal, immoral, or unnatural.

I couldn't help but notice he left out the fact that for twenty years they were protected. Or that there were numerous versions of that bill. Or that the one Obama voted on had the capacity to overturn ROE V WADE. Or that his Mormom background had no influence over his bringing this up and that he was being completely objective in doing so.

Yes he does. Lots of them. So does YOUTUBE. IN fact, youtube became famous and popular based on the same principal. Everything in clips, out of context. We go there to see the most sensational parts. The most dramatic. The most condemming. The most inflamatory. Because the rest is boring. Because that's what our society has evolved into. Instant-gratification-through-condemnation-and-damnation. Skip the fluff and pass the barbed wire.

The Six Degrees of Barak Obama?

The LACK of facts,

Never said he was. He would have to have an original thought and imagination to do that. Instead, he's a poilitical DJ. A 'sampler' of the world around us who remixes and puts his own spin on it. He takes the parts he thinks you want to hear or will get him the highest ratings assembles it into his own little remix. And 30 million people dance to it because it's the dance of the day. Disco isn't dead, folks. It's just been remixed.

Are you seriously claiming that the fact that he is associated, and always has been associated with, extreme radicals, is irrelevant and that we can't derive his views on things from that fact, or that when he says he wants to create a civilian army as powerful and well-funded as the U.S. military in a speech, that we can't take that seriously? Are his words meaningless? How shall we understand him, then?

Chrysler was stolen from the rightful owners whether they mismanaged their business or not. The bondholders were forced to accept 20 cents on the dollar, and some people's pension funds were nearly wiped out. Is that alright with you? The union didn't pay for it's 55% ownership stake in the company, it was seized from the rightful owners, and given to them. Is that alright with you? The UAW has negotiations for their contractual relationship with the companies, so they have had a say all along.

I see here that Glenn Beck's background is meaningful, but that Obama's is not. Guilt by association,Po? It's dubious that the bill had the capacity to overturn Roe vs. Wade; I know that's the excuse he gives. Nonetheless, he voted against a bill that would provide care for a surviving baby, just like a bill that passed the U.S. Senate without a dissenting vote, as I recall.

The facts are the facts--President Obama continues his merry university associations to this day; nothing has changed in that regard. How about a Weather Underground founder being one of his Czars right now? What about his associations with Acorn, right now? What about other Marxists in his group of unaccountable Czars right now? That is the context of how we arrive at his mindset. What about his civilian army?

Me neither.

I remember 8 years of baseless fear-mongering when George Bush was president--nobody seemed to mind that, and now that you have someone who is genuinely dangerous, hey, don't worry about it. Just because he says something doesn't really mean that he means it, right? Maybe you don't know this, but Hitler was a socialist, the head of the National Socialist Workers Party, also known in the short form as the Nazi party.

willistuder, get your so-called facts straight, bud! the part of the cars.gov site that needs credentials in order to login to is for car dealers, not private individuals. nowhere did it say that the person logging in would waiving his rights. how do i know this? it may be because a friend of mine whi is a devoted republican owns a local gm dealership and i have spoken to him and his fleet sales manager about the cash for clunkers program over breakfast on more than one occasion. i absolutely love how some nuts such as yourself believe everything beck, hannity, limbaugh, coulter, bachman, and the like say as facts when they aren't.

the fact is beck lied about the cars.gov site just as he's lied about virtually everything else he's talked about. he was called out by barbara walters about his untruthfulness regarding a meeting of the two when he appeared on The View weeks ago and apologized for it. later that day or the next, he denied it. come on, dude! the man lies!

the sole purpose of FIX news is to rile up the conservative populace of the country and to propagate the political beliefs of rupert murdoch. do i watch FIX? hell no. do i watch MSNBC? yes. do i believe everything said on MSNBC? again, hell no. i can think for myself.

I think Cheney qualifies as an extreme radical. they don't call him Darth Vader cause of his "good" looks.

darn, it is difficult for me to see why turning over the apple cart is such a bad idea. the down side now is that there are tens of millions uninsured, costs are skyrocketing and we, the patients, are getting screwed. this works for you? wouldn't having health care benefits regardless of your employment status provide a certain peace of mind?

what ever happened to being a "can do" kind of country?

Yes. Because they aren't the ONLY people he has asscociated with or had a hand in making him the man he has today. You assume he takes from these people their worst attributes to incorporate into his own persona and philosophy. Beck doesn't want to talk about any of his positive influences.  Yet you do not question the character of any one Beck may have associated with in his past (I can't say college days because he didn't attend college) or what he did or came to believe was right or the truth when he was an active alcoholic. You hold Obama up to a higher standard than you do the man who would  go to whichever network offered him the most money to bring Obama down for ratings.

It's a bitch when you have $4 billion in loans outstanding and you still can't get it right.

Now they have a say in how the company is run and not in how the owners will run them. The UAW has it's faults. Now, they have no excuses. Co-op. Now they all get a chance to fix it together and they will only have themselves to blame if it fails.

In your own statement it's still a possibility. SO is he still just giving an 'excuse'?

What about them? Everyone wants to point and yell Marxist. Really, what about them? Assuming that they are, to the core, in every fiber of their being Marxists and not just people who may believe there is a something in that philosophy...some crumb or one thought..that may benefit us...what about them?

Everyone is accountable.

Glenn Beck acknowledges he's an enterntainer . . . even as somebody who leans right, I'd look to other sources for stuff more researched.

. . . and frankly, that video of Hitler is stupid. Guit by association (in this case putting words in Hitler's mouth to make him sound Republican) is a fallacy.

. . . and I'm amused that people are just slamming each other by throwing around the words "fear mongering," as if that were some deep truth that really matters.

Perhaps someday we can all discuss things in a reasonable, rational, and even logical manner.

Perhaps. Some day.

. . . and just to throw something into the mix: Cash for Clunkers turns out to be wildly successful (unlike most stuff the gov't does) - supposed to last months, doesn't last a week - and I think it's a cool program, and I'm not expecting it to last forever . . .

. . . and all of the sudden, my own party decides (arbitraily, it seems) to hate it? What's up with that?

I agree. My point was that there should be government watchdogs, and that is what the press should be doing (I was not trying to suggest that the press always does their job). Ultimately, it is our job as citizens to be watchdogs over the whole system. We are supposed to be be the ones in charge.

But that's not what blogging is for.

Blogging? Huh ???? How did get get to talking about that?????????

EDIT: Ohhhhh - - - - that's right, Stardock's forum software intergrates with some blog stuff.

Sorry - I'm on the forum side of things.

I remember BEFORE the 8 years George Bush was president, the same fear-mongering of this present day was going on over Bill Clinton's 8-year presidency, and for some reason, the country didn't get taken over by Marxists and communists.  I'm old enough now to have seen the "what goes around comes around" stuff and it strikes me as simply ludicrous!  At this point, it's totally laughable.  The status quo for at least the last 50 years has made the planet's landlord's very rich and powerful and nothing is going to change that -- it's going to keep going on exactly as it has with the facade of opposing parties stirring up fear on the current flavor of the day.  It's really not worth getting bent out of shape over.

I never did expand on what I was trying to say.  I'll give it a shot. 

Policiticans, all though hard to believe, are put into office by those that vote, so there is a direct link as to whom they are responsible to.  The prees, or the media in more general terms, aren't elected they are for the most part privetly own corporations beholding to an owner or borard of directors.  If you haven't noticed they have some very specific agendas  other then just reporting the news.  They are not repoonsible to the American Public.  So take it from there.

My point to replying to threads such as these is very basic.  We all need to realize that even when we try to have a discussion on any subject that is ever so slightly politically related we break down into one side vs the other side.  Why, because that is what we have been conditioned to do.  Is it wrong, no, not if at the end of the disucssion both sides can come to an understanding and agreement as to the best course of action to take. 

And folkss, here is the rub, all of us hard working, tax paying, bill paying millions of Americans are being herded like sheep by a few thousnad Politicians.  We need a government and political system for sure, not doubt.  But it is way past the time that they need to be reminded just who they represent.

Sorry for this, I didn't and don't mean to offend anyone.  Just like everyone that posted replies here and on other threads such as this one, this is just my opinion, worth no more or no less then the rest.

Smile, feel good, and say hello to everyone you meet, that really messes with peoples minds.

For the Right:  where were you when Bush was passing the Patriot Act?  Patriot Act good but emergency control of the internet bad?

For the Left:  where you when Bush was being compared to Hitler?  Bush = Hitler = good but Obama = Hitler = bad?

Cash For Clunkers

The clunkers were destroyed, rather than resold, which has driven up the cost of used cars. The website was for private dealers, alright, and the waiver was up for a few days. I saw a press briefing from the White House where they acknowleged that it was a mistake and that it was being removed. It was only there for a couple of days.

Mr. Obama's associates

Does he have any that aren't serious radicals? I suppose so, but remember, he said he purposefully sought out radicals of various stripes, as he still does. What good is served by having ALL of his Czars being Marxists and revolutionaries and bombers and so on. I don't need to assume he has been influenced by these people; I know he has from his own words. Why pick them and them in charge if he doesn't agree with them? They are not accountable to Congress like a Cabinet member is. There are no hearings, they can't be brought before Congress to testify. This doesn't bother you? So, what about them? They are in charge, they aren't drinking buddies. They get to decide how much executives of a formerly private corporation get to make, as an example. Do you want them to decide how much you make next? These aren't theoretical possiblities, either, these are facts, in practise.

Chrysler

What, no tears for the people whose pension money went up in smoke? So, it's alright for a government to seize private assets, and give them to someone who hasn't paid for them? The UAW is one of the main reasons for GM and Chrysler being in a state of bankruptcy; it's their pension funds that cost so much that the companies can't afford them. To say that they didn't have a say (and why should they have, they didn't own or pay for the companies at the time) isn't really true; they had so much influence that there were a bunch of people on salary who didn't actually do any work.

Glenn Beck

I'll tell you a secret--I haven't actually watched many of his shows, but I have seen several that had videos of President Obama making his statements--but of course, just because he said those things doesn't really mean he said them, have I got that right? Once again, we're allowed to use his past to discern his character, but in the case of President Obama, we aren't, apparently.

Firgive me if I sound a bit dense - but I thought that this was between consumers and new car sales? Where does used car sales come in?

because there are less used cars to sell with still the same demand, therefore the price goes up

okay, I'll bite,

what don't you understand about the program. the premise was to turn in fuel guzzlers for cars with better gas mileage. what then, to resell the gas guzzlers and put them back on the road thus negating the base purpose of the program.

not ragging however you're loosely throwing labels on people without the specifics. I don't know all of the facts of these people involved but it should be about deeds. you may not agree with their deeds but if they were for the general good...

I thought pension funds were held in pension fund accounts that are separate from general funds. they are after all the employee's money with some percentage of employer contributions. not sure but that is what I thought was the case.

unions: as with most things there is a down side and an upside. the down side is seeking lofty goals during contract negotiations while taking care of the basics should really suffice, it has also been a factor in manufacturing going overseas(you know, the greed thing). the up side is that the unions brought up the living standard for the working class which in turn helped to create the middle class. I'm not sure what you mean by the last sentence.

you're comparing glenn beck, shock jock, to the Office of the President of the United States of America. Obama is trying to keep a country together and manage world affairs, I don't know what beck hopes to accomplish but I think it might have to do something about ratings.

so I take it you don't like Obama. I like him a lot more than the last one but recognize that he is just a human being.

In any case, it wasn't meant to be a permanent program. and the new cars bought with it will become used soon enough. The used car market should recover.