My UB 3on3 strat

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Since its so hard to get a game latetly i decided to post my ub strat while waiting in lobby for players ub isnt my best char and i didnt put that mutch time on this build but hopefully u'll enjoy reading it specially if u have no clue how to play it.

 

Skills:

1.Spit 1                  8.Spit 3(swap with ooze 3 if playing aganist tb and reg) 15. putrid flow and acclimation

2. Inner beast 1      9. nothing                                                                16. Foul grasp 3

3.Ooze 1               10. Spit 4 and ooze 4                                                 17. Post mortem

4. Spit 2                11. Foul grasp 2                                                        18. Plague 1 or Diseased 1 claws if they have speed

5. Foul grasp         12. Inner beast 2                                                       19. same thing plague 1/2 or claws 1/2

6.Ooze 2               13. Inned beast 3                                                      20. same thing plague 1/2 or claws 1/2/3

7.Ooze 3               14. Post mortem if they have catas otherwise save

Fav Item = Blood of the fallen

Items

items will be from the more to less important in bold, italic and normal i buy items almost every time i go back to citatel for hp no more than 1 normal item should be sold in order to buy a italic or bold italic one and they should only be sold after all slots are taken.

 

Boots of speed, Banded armor, Scaled Helm, Unbreakable boots, Hauberk of life, Plenor battlecrown(only as an update to scaled helm), Nimoth Chest Armor(only as an update to banded armor), Narmoth's Ring(if u dont get many kills this will be your last item sell the speed boots for it). As for the artifacts swap nimoth's chest armor for mage slayer and plenor battlecrown for ashkanor and if it comes to that swap hauberk of life for bulwark of the ages

 

Other items: Sigil of vitality (after lvl 5 i always have 1), Teleport scroll(after lvl 5 i always have 2 only on cataract), Sludge Slinger (carry 1 if your team is losing specially in maps sutch as prison can turn the game arround), wand of speed (u should have 1 when u sell your boots)

 

Strategy:

U'll be playing mostly a hit and run ub as she is pretty weak untill u reach lvl 5 after that u pretty mutch can take on any1 the ooze + spit will dmg them hard and u have the sigil as last resort or to lure them to a kill, use the teleports on cataract to teleport to your teammates so that a 1on1 becomes a 2on1 it'll be pretty hard for them to run since u have foul grasp venom spit and your speed its pretty good thks to the boots + inner beast.

 

Note: this is a 3on3 strat 1 player doesnt make a team if your teammates dont support u dont blame me. Have fun

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Reply #1 from Demigod Forums Top

Not bad.  Putting more than 1 point into foul grasp is a total waste IMO.  Nothing like being unable to grasp because it costs 1400 freakin' mana.

Reply #2 from Demigod Forums Top

Inner Beast 1 does so little. If you dump it, you can get Spit/Ooze a level earlier. I recommend this.
I believe that vs a good team you can't afford to sacrifice health over speed. You can chase with speed, however this only lets you win vs players, you'd win against most likely anyway, because you are better and they don't know when to run. Good players won't engage you unless they think they can win, and they will have pots/sigil, if they need to run. So I don't know if this works at expert level, but maybe it does, I just dont know.

 

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Reply #3 from Demigod Forums Top

Ooze. right click. kill guy. talk shit... repeat

 

Why are you trying to work so hard? spit and ooze. i mean wow. thats ambitious. you need 2 hands for that. just go ooze and use your other hand to grab your beer

Reply #4 from Demigod Forums Top

Ooze and spit is the best build, playground. Inner beast usually is inferior to stats unless you can get to level 15. Don't get foul grasp 2. However, the guide is decent and has most of  the important stuff.

Reply #5 from Demigod Forums Top

R u saying that at lvl.8, against a TB or Reg its better Ooze than Spit? If yes, I have to say that it is the other way around, Spit tops Ooze against those 2 DGs.

And overall, your build is to squishy for my taste, but it can work, but not optimal work imho.

As for this:

Quoting playgroundlegend, reply 3
Ooze. right click. kill guy. talk shit... repeat

 

Why are you trying to work so hard? spit and ooze. i mean wow. thats ambitious. you need 2 hands for that. just go ooze and use your other hand to grab your beer
End of playgroundlegend's quote

Hybrid UB is the best UB u can build, imo.

Reply #6 from Demigod Forums Top

Seriously Wip,

 

Grasp, you been putting points into Grasp the entire time? I hate you.

Reply #7 from Demigod Forums Top

Lol, and he STILL made it to #1. Must not have been a fatal build flaw. ;)

 

Dang wip, that's a ton of games you've played. O.o

Reply #8 from Demigod Forums Top

Question: This is your UB 3v3, ok, but, normally, what ur team picks with you, in a competitive game?

And another, this 3v3 is for any map or any specific map?

Reply #9 from Demigod Forums Top

kokujin when i say swap ooze3 with spit3 means spit will be done sooner instead of ooze

 

foul grasp 3 all the way give me valid reasons why not to other than the waste of 1400 mana at lvl 16 witch is a joke reason, as for inner beast i'm not sure if it beats stats like i said i didnt put that mutch work on it didnt do that comparison u might have a point there Epiphenomenon however i need the speed it gives me and at lvl 15 its pretty good

 

ur failing to see the point i dont wish to save mana or w/e i'm all out on dmg on the skills and hp on the items also there's a lot more than a build in there

 

kokujin my team picks rook and erebus if thats what ur asking and as for the maps i only play 3on3 on prison and cata it can be used in both

Reply #10 from Demigod Forums Top

Say you have a 4k mana pool end game.

 

Number of rank 1 grasps you can do:  5

Amount of life drained (assuming you let it do the full duration and don't pop Ooze or Wand of Speed): 1660

Total stun time:  10 seconds

 

Number of rank 3 grasps you can do:  2

Amount of life drained: 1328

Total stun time:  4 seconds

 

Granted there are cooldowns and regen but basically the stun duration doesn't increase with rank on grasp unfortunately and that's what makes it awesome.  Lower mana cost = more grasps = more stuns.  The life gain is trivial and I often pop wand of speed mid grasp anyway and start auto-attacking like a real pr0.

Reply #11 from Demigod Forums Top

so u walk arround the map grasping people to regen hp? r u serious? if thats the only reason why there shouldnt be the grasp 3 then thats a joke as i have 5700 mana with the mana flag cap 5000 without meaning i can grasp 4-3 times since i dont walk arround the map grasping people i dont need no more than 2 thats the max u can do b4 some1 runs or dies while fighting plus i'm not doing it only for the regen a grasp lvl 3 will give me advantage over any ub that doesnt have more than lvl 1 grasp since i dmg more 332 and win more 332 hp in 2 grasps i get a bonus 1328hp over him i dont think u can beat that. also i'd like to point out that sometimes i dont even use more than 1 grasp since i wait for them to start teleport or rook to send a hammer or sometimes when i engange faster demigods that i know i'm gonna win i only use it when they start running

Reply #12 from Demigod Forums Top

No, I don't use it for the regen.  That's my point.  I use it for the stun.  And I use it often.  Apparently you use it for the regen.  Realistically you're not always going to be at full mana when engaging in fights.  I'd rather save that mana for spit and/or more grasps.  The extra levels in grasp only give you an additional 332 life drain at the cost of nearly double the mana.

Who's gonna win the fight when you spit and only have 1k mana left?

Reply #13 from Demigod Forums Top

only i'm not gonna fight a similar ub with 1k mana out of 5600 plus i dont need full mana to do 2 grasps so its pretty realistic the play style for this build its totally dif from yours u wanna play this build your own way? sry not gonna work u wanna play it my way u'll have more advantage aganist every single demigod if u get grasp 3 instead of any other skill on the tree

Reply #14 from Demigod Forums Top

In his defense he does have a very different play style.

Wip is correct in saying he do not run out of mana when engaging in direct combat. I played with him and I do notice this. The problem actually lies in his experience rate. Due to his heavy demand on mana, he has to go back to base more often than another ub who regens mana back. Therefore while it is true he has more damage and lane control power than the other ub. He also gives up his ability to stay and fight for long durations (and thereby hurt his lane farm).

If you noticed his items choices, he picked battlecrown only. Its quite obvious he isn't planning to regenerate mana back.

While discussing this with him he also realize grasp against range attackers such as reg/tb/qot is significantly reduced (given the reg/tb/qot knows what they are doing).

Also, Wip is not aware of the bug that cancels post mortem when plague is active.

Reply #15 from Demigod Forums Top

Wip,

What do you think about Swift Anklet? How often are you able to level up to level 16 to get Grasp 3?

Reply #16 from Demigod Forums Top

yes what posi said its true my gamestyle changes with lvl i start with a hit and run ub and by the time i reach lvl 16 i hunt with ooze engage to kill and then regen and i wasnt aware of the bug but still we are talking about lvl 18-20 skills i still give options and sometimes plague might still be worth it as for the range demigods significantly reducing grasp i didnt say that i said all it takes its a reg or a tb making a mistake sutch as a fireball and if i'm able to grasp they are not getting away alive. so far no1 proved i was wrong on grasp 3

 

Epiphenomenon i rather take botf as ub its already very weak at low lvl speed boots and inner beast give me all the speed i need, by taking it u'd probably better off changing the whole build lol. i dont reach lvl 16 very often only on the hard games the ones that count :p

Reply #17 from Demigod Forums Top
  • Whydo you prefer Plenor over Vlemish? After 52 seconds away from the crystal Vlemish is superior due to regen.
  • You'll have around 4400 mana at level 15 (and I guess 1000 more through regen)

Let's assume Level a 15 UB.
You can do 4 SpitIV + 2 GraspI in 30 seconds, then you spent 5400 mana, which is when you are empty

Spit: 1650x4 = 6600
Ooze: 30x140 = 4200
AA: 259x0.57144x30x0.6 = 2664
Toxic Pool: 500x4= 2000
Grasp: 332x2 = 664

That's the max burst damage you do in 30s.

Now if you get Grasp III you spend 1200 mana more, which easily gives the UB having Grasp I one more Spit, doing about 1600-2000 more damage. In addition he can spend skill points somewhere else. +2 Stats will give him about +300 damage over you and another +200 health and +mana.

With Grasp III you heal 332 more then him and you do 332 more damage and that twice, which is about a diffence of 1330 in damage/health, so one more spit is still still superior.

  • So Stats > Grasp III
  • Swap Mageslayer for Hauberk (dont sell Nimoth: 500/750/0. It is far superior to 600/0/+10 from Hauberk)
  • Never underestimate armor: Armor of Vengeance might be better then Hauberk, as you get armor +12%
Reply #18 from Demigod Forums Top

ntropy those 52 seconds away from citatel beeing superior isnt right at all there's a lot of other factors there i dont get out of the citatel and start regen mana b4 i use it also imagine i have 5000 of mana with vlemish i would have 5525 with plenor i use a spit of 800 mana i'll only have to regen 250 with battlecrown to reach the max mana i'd ever have with vlemish while with vlemish i'd need to regen 800. saying its superior after 52 seconds its ridiculous.

Also u keep giving me that crap about the mana i could save with grasp or regen over time... its just the same as the other guy only instead of multiple grasps u swap for an additional spit.... why do i want another spit? i'm i gonna spit 5 times in a fight? no u wont spit more than 2 times in a fight 3 maybe so by putting 2 points on stats u'll get 200hp armor and a bit of extra dmg witch i daut will be anywhere near 300 witch doesnt make up for the advantage i have with grasp 3. Please stop with this mana issue i already told u and so did posidenii i do not lack mana ingame with this build if i felt i needed mana i'd go for another helmet witch isnt the case

 

  • So Grasp III > Stats
  • I rather have hauberk of life over nimoth anytime specially at the time i get artifacts since i'll be melee+ooze most of the time and i need regen 
  • No that armor sucks i'd never buy a armor that does not give me hp and even if i had another spot on items i'd rather buy platemail of the crusader
Reply #19 from Demigod Forums Top

There's no way you can run back to the citadell every minute. So even if you dont use mana from the start, if you stay out for like 2+ mins, Vlemish is better. I'm pretty sure everybody will agree on this.

About the Grasp. The difference isn't huge. With Grasp III you have more burst/time, with stats you get more damage/mana. Whatever serves you better will do.

Also, if you have alot of team confrontations (which you usually have in expert level play) armor helps alot. At an average of 300 damage you take about 15 dps less from each player (assuming you have ooze on). What's better isn't trivial, because if there are monks, then health is better again. Also for sigil, health is again superior.

 

Reply #20 from Demigod Forums Top

i think u should revise your post i just proved u for this strat vlemish isnt better after 2min or after 52secs or aftrer 30min or after 1h also grasp doesnt give me more time and ye whatever serves me better will do and grasp3 its what serves me better since i already told u the 1328 bonus hp  beat by far 2 points on stats. armor is good but in this build playstyle health and hp regen its mutch better

 

still i like how foul grasp went from a fatal mistake to a not sutch a big diff. we are getting somewhere lol

Reply #21 from Demigod Forums Top

Wip, would you mind doing a replay for us once replays come out? I'm really interested in your strat.

Reply #23 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting ntropy, reply 19
There's no way you can run back to the citadell every minute.
End of ntropy's quote

But he does and we identified the play style. I already listed the disadvantage to playing this way. Exp is a lot more important than the little extra dps he is pushing out.

But that just me.

Also i don't mind him playing this way because all his exp and gold from creeps is now mine.

Reply #24 from Demigod Forums Top

This is my exact build except i use bof and vlemish (in place of bos and plenor)  I also usually get lvl 1 claws at lvl 2 and late go with inner beast.

Reply #25 from Demigod Forums Top

nah i fixed exp problem long ago by getting ooze into my build i might not get as mutch exp as a rook that tp's to the left and right flags on cataract and kills creeps all the time but u wont see me as the lowest lvl on the game and believe me very rare are the times i go back for mana bcuz almost 95% of the times i must regen my lowhp i'm pretty happy with the items i'm taking