No We Aren't a Premade, and Yes You Still Got Schooled

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I'm a little confused by the mentality I'm encountering in some games where all players are random.  With comparable stats one team will completely dominate and at some point late in play someone on the other team will say something like

"Premade :/" 

Then they often RQ

WTF is that?  You played like a spastic bathtoy but you know, the loss doesn't count because you can tell yourself your opponents knew each other? 

Shocker: it's possible to be an excellent team and player without playing with the same friends over vent.  Maybe when you stop looking for excuses us ronin will have more difficulty pulling you into one teleport gank after another, what do you think?

 

demigod
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Reply #1 from Demigod Forums Top

I have seen this alot actually.

Reply #2 from Demigod Forums Top

It's hard to admit being inferior. "Pro" & "average" players don't differ on that point. Except if the guy/girl has enough brain and humility to admit he made lots of mistakes, he/she will usually find reasons to feel better after a defeat.

Let's say, among others: premade opposing team, lags, "my team mates suck", etc.

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Reply #3 from Demigod Forums Top

yeah i have only played a few battles because my laptop is so slow but i know im not that good butg lucky me i get great teammates who wont quit or cry because im not so good. in fact they often give me advice to fight

Reply #4 from Demigod Forums Top

Conversely, not all premades teams are guaranteed pub stomps, so don't cry just because the other team happens to be 'familiar' with each other.

Reply #5 from Demigod Forums Top

with a nod to humility -


it's a little pointless when using it tends to increase the amount of crass shit you get for your playing. "Spastic bathtoy" for example.

k, so i know that the person that was aimed at wasn't particularly humble (if at all) but it's a bit of salt in the wound when people are using so mucn imagination to denigrate there fellow players (even if not of equal skill).

Reply #6 from Demigod Forums Top

I played with this guy NeptunePisces who blamed me and my teamate every time he died... which was often.

 

Played against him a few weeks later and figured maybe he had hopefully learned to play by then but honestly didn't think so.  I probably shoulda warned the other team but I'm really not a good person deep down so I just told our team the the other team's UB wasn't very good and was gonna blame his teamates for sucking.  He did and my teamates tripped out on how accurate my prediction was.

 

Saw him try and enter games I was in sometimes... he would get the immediate boot treatment... I didn't have to say anything, other people were experiencing the joy of playing with him.

 

Long time later saw him as the examble Frogboy gave about overlay updates and showed how he put a personal note down about him being a rage quitter.

 

My point is that there is a breed of demigod player out there that cannot get any better because they never have any responsiblity for their team losing.  It was either they played against premades, their ally didn't save them after they chased the enemy past 3 towers, someone on the enemy used the dreaded "cooldown hack" (played a game where my teams reg got so many kills he bought Slayer's really early and the guy thought his critical hits were snipes), or my personal favorite "You only won because QoT is overpowered."

 

I don't think referring to someone like this as "playing like a spastic bathtoy" is a bad thing.  Its not contructive, but people like this have something very wrong with their brains, so you can say whatever you want about them because they really don't care what anyone else thinks about them, because they're always right, and everyone else is a bunch of idiots.

Reply #7 from Demigod Forums Top

The funniest part is you don't hear the complaining until it's pretty obvious who is going to win.

I played pure PUG where one of my teamates was running a -1 simspeed. Everyone bitched about the stuttering (even the 3rd on my team) until he offered to quit, but noone responded and we all just kept playing. Long story short, we end up winning, but once it was obvious, we get comments like 'funny how it always slowed down at crucial moments', 'I missed my stun thanks to your crappy ping', 'We would have won if you didn't have all year to think about every move', etc...

Pretty much the same as the lame old premade or my teamate sucked comments, just another excuse.

Reply #8 from Demigod Forums Top

I think that there are alot of PUG's who are learning standard team based tactics now.  Before you would only see things such as drawing someone into a telegank with premade teams.  I am starting to see things like that more and more in PUG games because so many people are familiar with standard team based tactics now.  In general this is a good thing because it diminishes the advantage premades have over PUGs.  It also means that people may think that a team is premade just because they know how to do things like telegank.

Reply #9 from Demigod Forums Top

In my day we used to simply accuse better players of hacking the game.

 

Reply #10 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 9
In my day we used to simply accuse better players of hacking the game.

 
Those were the days.

Reply #12 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting mrlarone, reply 5
with a nod to humility -


it's a little pointless when using it tends to increase the amount of crass shit you get for your playing. "Spastic bathtoy" for example.

k, so i know that the person that was aimed at wasn't particularly humble (if at all) but it's a bit of salt in the wound when people are using so mucn imagination to denigrate there fellow players (even if not of equal skill).

It's a point, but I guess the thing for me is I have a 50% win ratio and I'm not going to be explaining away my losses..sometimes I'm playing an alt against an unexpectedly good team, sometimes I'm just sucking, but usually it's just that the other team is better than my team..I'm happy to admit that I am playing terribly or using the wrong strat if it means I can get better as a player, and I'll happily play a game through to its grim conclusion if I'm getting something out of it..  I'm happy to accept the title of spastic bathtoy myself, if it means I learn not to die the same way three times in a row...

- nothing in that is about being L33t zomg nub l2p so much as getting frustrated because as soon as "that guy" calls hax or premade or whatever it is you know he has turned off the learning part of the process and that none of the curve you or anyone else is imparting on how to get better is going to make it through the wall

I get ego when you have played 500 games and really know your shit

I don't get it when you really *don't* know what you are doing..You get dragged through alot less muck when you have some humility

Reply #13 from Demigod Forums Top

Sometimes ego is neccesary.  I was being horridly mean to a random teammate today - playing a 3v3, he gets left alone on the mana side so gets double xp, he doesn't buy a single upgrade (tshughes and I get xp1, currency, priests, angels, cata, giants all as soon as they should be gotten), and gets gifted 3 kills early.  Then he plays like a fricking tard and goes from 3-0 to 3-5 being given all of those advantages, and playing an oak with shield.  

I was slightly more harsh then I normally would have been, given that I was messing around with TB and tshughes was playing an incredibly (and intentionally) shitty UB.  And, yes, these are the things we have to do now to get a competetive game - intentionally play with shitty DG and builds.  And even then it takes an hour to get a game going.

DG is a great game, but it's just not worth it for us to play it anymore :(