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3v3 Cataract, how do you stop a rook?

3v3 Cataract, how do you stop a rook?

Rook is one of the demigods I don't really know how to play against.

If he has a tower farm and his teammates support him he is pretty much unstoppable, specially with a sedna by his side.

Any suggestions on how to play against a rook?

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Reply #26 Top

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=101664

 

Here is a semi good way on how to stop a rook, hybird ub with lotsa hp and armor with a grenade launcher reg. Also good replay of ub vs ub.  Yes i made 3 stupid mistakes :P.

Reply #27 Top

paper beats rook, try that.

Reply #28 Top

paper beats rook, try that.
End of quote

/signed!

seriously, when I play rook, the thing that I hate the most is the Mark of the betrayal + mines combo !!!! slows rook like hell and serious burst damage. I can only hope that I can TP safely to base if I get hit by this combo. If the other team has interrupts, Im dead afterwards.

Reply #29 Top

Quoting Izuz, reply 28

beats rook, try that.
/signed!

seriously, when I play rook, the thing that I hate the most is the Mark of the betrayal + mines combo !!!! slows rook like hell and serious burst damage. I can only hope that I can TP safely to base if I get hit by this combo. If the other team has interrupts, Im dead afterwards.
End of Izuz's quote

 

But if you have an oak, its all sheilded off and you just boulder then hammer.  If anyone chased you into your towers they are dead.

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Jona_, reply 29

Quoting Izuz, reply 28
beats rook, try that.
/signed!

seriously, when I play rook, the thing that I hate the most is the Mark of the betrayal + mines combo !!!! slows rook like hell and serious burst damage. I can only hope that I can TP safely to base if I get hit by this combo. If the other team has interrupts, Im dead afterwards.
 

But if you have an oak, its all sheilded off and you just boulder then hammer.  If anyone chased you into your towers they are dead.
End of Jona_'s quote

But who says you have an oak?

Reply #31 Top

If you have a rook you should have an oak sedna or qot :P

Reply #32 Top

Demon Assasin??

Reply #33 Top

If you are a rook, the best support you can get is from Oak. Even sedna can't help you when your focus fired on, because the opponents will out daamage sedna's heal. But a shield III from Oak is always welcome when they are in the middle of my tower farm, leads straight to a boulder + slam combo !!!

Good point Jona_

Reply #34 Top

For me Rook is always a feeder. If you play a good erebus, Rook will feed you well. No need for minion build.

One good tip: 
Play erebus to lvl5, skills(2points bite, 1point mist, 1point bat swarm, 1point nightwalker)
Call one of your allis to come to your side, or if you are already 2 guys at hp flag as usual tell him to focus rook.
Attack: batswarm, or just run, bite!, mist to avoid any dmg or slam, wait 2 or 3 seconds for cooldown on bite, offmist, bite again, follow, hes dead. Maybe youl need to finish with another batswarm but if you hold a mana potion always the rook will die without having any chance.

So if you ask me, erebus is the ultimate rook killer.
I also have some nice Replays vs good Rooks. You could copy the build, but 1.9 replays dont work anymore :/

 

HF

Reply #35 Top

Best thing I've found is using minions to attack first, then work on towers. You won't take damage while minions are present.

And you have to take out rook early. If you don't he will rape an entire side, especially on Cata.

Reply #36 Top

Quoting Jona_, reply 31
If you have a rook you should have an oak sedna or qot
End of Jona_'s quote

What do you do when you are facewd with people who try to kick you (do kick you) for selecting QoT?

Reply #37 Top

Play with different people...

Reply #38 Top

The way to deal with early rook on cataract is to

1) Starve him of gold.
Make him hide behind his towers during the 1st conflict. ToL dammage and Archer Tower does not tag creeps for gold on death. If you can prevent rook from hitting as many creeps as possible directly himself, this is good. Threaten him so he has no choice but to put his towers upfront to hold the flag. This will make a huge difference when you both go to shop and return to the lane.

2) Run him out of mana if he is using an early life stack.
Make him use ToL as often as possible. If you want to be pro, you need to estimate when he is out of mana. This is when you can leave your lane because he cannot advance safely without overexposing himself.

3) General / Assasin partner switch.
I used this to great effect in a previous game. With a general + minion build I just constantly chewed on his towers until he was out of mana. Then I switched lanes with my partner UB. The rook went down, and I probably couldn't have done it with my minion build without rook escaping, on the flip side of the coin, the UB could not deal with the initial tower forest like I could.

Reply #39 Top

Besides... You can't stop Rook. He's a juggernaut. He's unbeatable. Better just to conceed when the game starts.

Reply #40 Top

It's very easy with TB. Just fireball whenever he moved to move his line forward. Toss RoI at him (Those towers are PERFECT conducters for BotS) at range. When hes happily whittled down, freeze the towers and finish him.

If he uses Structural Transfer, just watch for the start of the animation, eat a hit or two and deep freeze him at the start. (Plus if you make him eat his towers all the time, the ST and RoI will take quite a number on them AND his mana.)

Edit: Woo! 4:20

Reply #41 Top

Quoting Sarudak, reply 39
Besides... You can't stop Rook. He's a juggernaut. He's unbeatable. Better just to conceed when the game starts.
End of Sarudak's quote

 

Very true, I've never been able to beat a game with an enemy rook. He's just so fast, and I'm never able to avoid his hammer slam. It's un-interruptable =/ And god, the towers. They're so hard to take down.

Reply #42 Top

The best counter to a rook is fighting him before he has his tower farm up.  Most popular demigods (Ereb, UB, Oak) can do this late game.

In addition to late game, the following builds are extremely effective at countering a rook (throughout the game).

Spit UB / Fire TB if you have BotS
Regulus will stalement the rook if the reg has AF.
Regulus can also push a rook via long range chain-sniping.  This works best early game.
Ereb or Oak pure minion builds crush a rook by exterminating towers within seconds
I have not seen it but I believe QoT will beat or at least stalemate a rook due to her armor lowing capabilities.  That combined with normal attacks should crush towers.

Reply #43 Top

CoF is suicide against a good rook who hasn't used his boulder yet... be very careful about running in to tag his towers. In addition to interrupting and holding you in place for tower damage, it insta-kills the creep wave which frees towers to target you.

Reply #45 Top

Loving Rook in Pantheon, as the most practical counters to him are on the Assassins side. Abuse him, now.

Reply #46 Top

If don't have an interrupt or a stun, just don't even try to 1v1 a rook. When engaged on same level and skill, a rook will rely on pots, hammer and eventually try to TP out. And thats stuf you HAVE to counter. So for instance, if you play DA or QoT, just don't even try. Then you WILL need a Sigil of Vitality and/or a couple of Big HP pots.

Now let's take a second and look at the Rooks strong suits :

- Towers

- Boulder + Hammer

Towers: Boulder + Hammer A good rook player will Stack tons of HP and armor, so expect the fight to last. The best thing ofc would be to fight a rook before he raises his farm, but that's just common sense. So assuming you'll fight him in his towers, your best option is ARMOR. Try to get at 50% armor, and you'll be able to ignore them for a while.

Boulder + Hammer: Now he comes the tough part, especially for melee DG, escaping the hammer. After the boulder, spam your interrupt to have a chance to avoid the hammer, or spam mist if you're playing LE. At later levels, you will automatically take the hammer, cause the stun duration of the boulder roll is just too long. Use your pot right after the hammer, so the Rook cannot interrupt you while you drink it and save your stun/interrupt to prevent him from fleeing or healing.

That's about it, personally i think the best counters for Rook in 1v1 situation are Oak (shield + Penitence), Erebus (Bite + mist + Batswarm) and TB (Shatter, Ice Nova to freeze the towers, High dps).

Reply #47 Top

Everyone is making the rook seem much stronger than he actually is. There are three types of rooks, tower rook, tower / hammer hyrbrid, and hammer/roll rook; each of these types can be easily countered. 

 

A tower rook can be destroyed easily by Regulus' mines, Oak's surge of faith, the Torchbearer's fire nova, ring of fire, frost nova, and rain of ice.  A pure tower rook can hold a lane, but a Demigod such as Regulus or the Torchbearer could blast away his towers with persistent ranged attacks.  In the very beginning, the rook can only make two towers before he runs out of mana for a couple minutes save if he takes a trip back.  In the late game, a tower rook is practically squishy, not to mention slow. He can be taken down with burst damage.

 

The hybrid rook has great options, but is limited most of the time by his mana and cooldowns. Also, his abilities will be significantly weaker than a pure character, so he can be taken down 1v1 quite easily.  Almost no one that I've seen has tried for a  hybrid rook.

 

A pure hammer / boulder roll rook starts out very weak if it doesn't use SOME towers.  Until level 5, hammer slam is laughably weak, and can be dodged with ease, even without interrupts.  Bolder roll is a great skill, and the only thing that makes the rook playable; but, it can be dodged.  Bolder roll does not stun very long, so if you have an interrupt you can use it as boulder roll wears off to get rid of the hammer slam.