We are getting 2 new demi gods and losing 2.

I dont think much has changed, reg is gone from being weak and pretty useless (ie not compditively playerble) to a useless feeder (ie not compditively playerble) we never really had this demigod. Fire tb is pretty much the same vs top demigods though probably can out dps DA.

I dont think ice tb is hurt too much by either demigod he has to play a suport role vs top teir demigods anyway.

As far as im concerned ballance is not even close to the level it could be and large numbers of changes demigods and cirtian items would benifit both the fun and compeditive aspects of demigod. Meaningful (not just removing the completely overpowered stuff) nurfs to LE, UB (and Oak to a lesser extent) are needed so reg, queen and tb can be buffed into some useful compdetive role.

Ii think sedna and rook are good (the best) standards to ballance to, good in cirtian roles but can be beaten in these roles by a number of demigod combinations. Trying to nurf UB so it can still compete vs the current erebus (or vice versa) is just going to go nowere unless other demigods are buffed to the point that they can do almost everthing the team could want with nice interupts (and only a premptive chance to have there own ablities interupted) yes thats overstated but resonably true compared to the other demigods. Trying ballance by changing items can only go so far and will still leave ub and erebus on top.

competitive

Reg and TB were not useless in competitive matches. Dont know where you got that from.

We will only know what the new balance will be like in a few weeks.

If they weren't before, they are now.  I think Neutral is right on this one...

Maybe this is the buff for the QoT they were talking about.  Now that playing as Reg or TB is a death sentence, it means she's not the suckiest demigod anymore.  Hurray!

Reg and TB need a lot of skill to play well, I've seen a couple people with amazing Reg/TB, but yes, swapping skill near a UB is instant death for Reg, and it's really difficult to hold a flag as either of these characters.

mine spam and snipe abuse will never be useless

Thats big bull kaka (in german) in my opinion. reg was never good in 1v1 situations. Hes a supporting mines using and sniping ownage char in a good team. YOu will probably never meet him in a high skilled 2v2 as he is just not good enough in those important infights there but the new dgs dont change this anyway.

Also da is pretty weak without a good team. In 2v2s he will also suck without any shiled or heal he wont do good i bet. But its way too early to say that anyway. There is no real good build for da out. You may beleve but there are many new stratagies you can use now as well as diffrent item usage. We will see in some weeks i guess.

TB and Reg need a stat increase (lets not forget about QoT though). ranged characters have a nice advantage and for that they need to be slightly weakened, but i think what they have now is beyond weak in regards to stats. 

When it comes to DA's apabilities and all other melee character with ranged abilities, ranged characters lose their effectiveness.
Ranged characters are weak for a reason so why should melee have such effective ranged abilites.
- Fireball does 1050 dmg at max level.
- UB does 1650 dmg with over 10 secs.
- DA can deal a hefty 1800+ dmg in 2 secs from a distance and ending up at targets feet.
Essentially UB and DA are more superior than any ranged character atm.

IMO, TB should be able to cast fireball with miminal threat/dmg. Either buff fireballs cast range/cast time or nerf UB's spit range.
I dont think however that Reg is so disadvantaged in this issue. He has MotB and mines. MotB for fleeing and Pre-prepare mines b4 a DA warps to you. but i still believe both tb and reg need buffs (give em slighltly more health regen than melee chars. there are so many ways of buffing that i dont want to make a list here).

That being said though, i think these 2 characters (reg and tb) are more 4v4, 5v5 (sometimes 3v3) contenders. The only problem with that is that this game requires VERY good internet to support such demanding transfers (upload/down). As a result, we rarely see these characters being played in 3v3 competitive games.

lol regulus useless this forum is still the usual ppl not knowing a damn

People in balance land read and do it.

Hehe...  the irony makes me smile.

TB and Reg are and were useless 3vs3 and down. In bigger games having one ranged char could be usefull expecially fro the aoe of the snipe support. For the rest yeah they suck. And Yes, I played this game a lot more than you thank you very much.

  i would prefer "we take 2 new demigods" STOP 

now ... how about new arena, it is strongly recommanded, not like this game : you're new family is garbage

stardock is a big .......  hum .......... i'm out

about tb and reg people who think that are useless cause it's a game to have FUN i'm not working here

Last night I saw a DA swap positions with an enemy while standing on six mines.  It was ugly.

I've seen this as well.... it was a very funny

with motb oh yeah.

Yeah ranged sucks, and denying that is retarded. Come and play my team consisting of erebus/oak/Ub/sedna/da and you can play with your ranged chars. Even playing with a mixed team of ranged and melee wont help: melee wins and wins and wins.

Yea the ranged charaters do not stack up to the melee characters..

The point isnt what Reg and Tb are against the OTHER DG. It's how DA makes them totally worthless.

@nzac fire tb is totally worthless agaisnt da early to mid game. ice doesn't do much better. iice has no real way of stopping him, and even with slows da is faster then him.

My point is that these demigods should have been designed to stop erebus and oak and be weak against tb reg and QOT. That would have balanced the game but instead the game is just more disbalanced, but it adds 1 new higher tier character.

You sure fire tb looses to DA 1vs1 has about equal health more dps (fire tb should from dance), circle of fire would make up for the extra spine attack dps and no one can interput or debuff each other how does DA win that fire tb can even kite to a cirtian extent.

The point that i could have worded better, is that both fire tb and reg are not both not powerful as the rest of demigods overall and they they have almost not areas that would give them a compeditive edge over other demigods could not provide better. Teams just need to stall though to level 9 where fire tb has lost any advantage and reg is not worth it at any level.

Though i have seen ice tb (see Orcun_BL as tb) add a compditive edge (not shure if its superiour to another demigods though, but can most definatly add something tacticaly), in no way under the current meta has anyone chosing to play a fire tb or reg ever benifited there team more than going UB, LE or Oak (i may not be right about this in 4vs4 or higher). (This does assume that opposing team knows to and how to make ajustments in play style to counter the enermy team and they have made resonable demigod choices themselves.)

Assuming compditive play is playing just to win, fun is secondary, prority these builds were not playerble before the patch and niether are they afterwards. yes i supose you hurt your team more now playing tb and reg in pugs.

I guess it remains to be seen but in 3vs3 and lower DA is not Teir 1 in the current metagame UB, LE and Oak are much better than him in most situations, and would be pushing it to be better than sedna and rook as well, a good health stack and priest regen will beat DA very easily. He could be viable if he forces the enermy to play more defencivly and run from equal numbers fights that could have othewise been won. DA abilties are poor if you are not forced to reteat from the intial burst damage.

you wont lose any. in fact if you look closely you now have 10 to choose from

@nzac with DA late game i was doing 650 crit  and even did a 1700 crit. combo that with dodge and that fact he can null fireball with his momentary invincibility DA destroys fire or ice tb.

Additionally these 2 characters already had someone that could take them: erebus. But now there are 2 characters that can defeat them if you have both of those people on a team its over.

By level 10 MOST games are already decided. And sure reg and tb get better after 10 but not so much so that they can really stop da or erebus.

The point is that tb reg and qot are soo far down the totem poll there is no reason to even use them now. Erebus oak ub Tier 1. Rook sedna DA Tier 2. tb reg qot tier 3.

Sure a 4v4 game benefits more from a tb or reg, but in a 4v4 game the chances of there being a erebus and a da are super high.

Tb and reg get worse after level 10..

DA and Reg are awesome together.    No joke.  It really is a tandem that needs some kind of voice, though, and specific builds for both to take advantage.  It is really too soon to write them off. 

Most games are decided before they begin (eg queen, tb, oak is gernally going to beet da, sedna and a noob with erebus) UB and Oak are the only realy good late game demis they will squash TB and reg any day once towers are gone.

Before the addition of the new demigods it was "Erebus oak ub Tier 1. Rook sedna [DA was removed] Tier 2. tb reg qot tier 3." Only UB extreae dps (from low levels) that does not need mana along with some nice ablity support, is anything close to being good enough to beet priest regen with powerful and versitile abilities.

IF the teir list was broken down it would be:

Erebus ub Tier 1a Oak Tier 1b [though level 3 shield could put it up to the same teir]

Rook sedna [occulas could be here] Tier 2. Ice based tb DA Teir 2.5

From hear you should not be playing these demis unless in the most casual of PUGs and non compdeditive premades.

QOT Teir 3

Fire TB, Reg (Just dont go here) Teir 4 [was not changed when DA was included]

Fire TB and reg are still far worse to play vs Teir 1 demis and sedna than DA, it takes about 30 secs for an oak with DJ to be kited of the creeps by reg and this number gets bigger fast and lets no even factor in that minion dps can force reg back to a tower. No debuffs, interupts or stuns makes your demi weak when your dps not any better than UBs even if you are ranged.