inerz inerz

promote the 'lesser dgs'

promote the 'lesser dgs'

i propose ppl start hosting more games with 'no ub/ereb' in title..might add oak to that 

i feel that whenever opposing team has ub/ereb/oak and our team doesnt, we are at a serious disadvantage and thereby obligated to pick aforementioned dg for our team. all else being equal no way is a tb going to fill ub's shoes.

playing tb and reg is fun. but they are never going to beat a team with an ub in it, unless you are nubstomping

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Reply #26 Top

You know what they need to do to help out 90% of rook players? Disable Structural Transfer unless you have at least 50 wins with Rook.

Reply #27 Top

Character that needs to be banned: Queen of thorns!

She is so overpowered, she can drop creep waves and towers in mer seconds. She he can cap flags and push lanes luke she was the goddes of thorns or something.

 

If you don't get the pure irony of this post than you're an idiot!

Reply #28 Top

your an idiot!
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you're

Reply #29 Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 28

your an idiot!you're
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ahhh grammar nazi XD

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Makeshift-D, reply 13
Just play for fun.  If you want to give the weaker demigods a try but don't want to lose games, only play with those demigods when the teams are stacked in your favor.  You can also give the weaker demigods a try when the both teams are mixed with different skilled players, in which case you can feed off the weaker players and avoid the stronger ones.  If the strongest opponent is UB though, make sure you're a good support demigod or your teammates will get plowed.   
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This, and speaking of something actually pertaining to the OP, mix it up on purpose and have fun.  Play some 'all random' games, high gold income, and other such games too.  If this game is a job to u and its all about winning on cata 3v3 with balanced, equally powered teams, thats fine, whatever floats ur boat. I like to play games like that from time to time.  But for the rest of us that [hopefully] play for fun more often than for win %, MIX IT UP plz and have fun. :grin:

Just my two cents....  P.S.  Did polynomial even read the OP?  What a ri-tard [quote "the hangover"]

Reply #31 Top

Fire TB is clearly the best.

Reply #32 Top

Quoting synnworld, reply 29
your an idiot!you'reahhh grammar nazi
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I'm not the grammar Nazi, you're the grammar Mengele, peforming cruel and barbaric experiments on innocent words and punctuation.

Reply #33 Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 32

Quoting synnworld, reply 29your an idiot!you'reahhh grammar nazi I'm not the grammar Nazi, you're the grammar Mengele, peforming cruel and barbaric experiments on innocent words and punctuation.
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oh that is ok than.

Reply #34 Top

then.

Reply #35 Top

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 34
then.
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ahhhhh grammar nazi!

Reply #36 Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 31
Fire TB is clearly the best.
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I love not being able to chase people!

If your using just one form with TB, your hurting yourself a LOT.

Reply #37 Top

I agree with Rook on the A-list.  Especially on Cat.  But he needs to be played a certain way and I definitely wouldn't want n00bs picking him on my team.  Which is also a good reason to pick him- so they won't.

Reply #38 Top

rook is not on the A list.

he is strong ofcourse, but he doesnt have an escape option.

oak shields, ereb mists or swarms, ub just kills everything or uses his ample speed to move away from harm.

rook sits in his towerfarm, then suddenly 3 enemies come, ereb swarms and stuns-bites him and then rook gets ganked, sure he might pull off a boulderslam, but he will still die.

Reply #39 Top

Quoting inerz, reply 38
rook is not on the A list.

he is strong ofcourse, but he doesnt have an escape option.

oak shields, ereb mists or swarms, ub just kills everything or uses his ample speed to move away from harm.

rook sits in his towerfarm, then suddenly 3 enemies come, ereb swarms and stuns-bites him and then rook gets ganked, sure he might pull off a boulderslam, but he will still die.
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He's the most easily reinforced DG. Towers go a long way towards negating his inability to flee.

Reply #40 Top

But towers scale for shit. They are almost worthless once generals hit 1500 armor or assassins get 2k.... On average, this is level 10.

Reply #41 Top

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 40
But towers scale for shit. They are almost worthless once generals hit 1500 armor or assassins get 2k.... On average, this is level 10.
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Nothing but Penitence and Beast Within scales well.

Towers scale fine. At level 10 they have 2850 HP, cost only 200 mana. They hit for about 190 per shot at max rank and 1500 armor is only 37.5% mitigation; with that level of armor they're still hiting for 120 a pop and you can have eight of them active. I don't see why doing 900 damage every two seconds is an example of poor scaling.

 

Really towers scale brilliantly if you build rook up correctly. They cost very little mana which lets you focus on Hammer Slam and Boulders while still spamming them, and even people with extreme armor levels are going to take about 100 damage per hit, which is still 800 damage every two seconds if a full farm is active. Furthemore being able to swing a max Hammer Slam means that unlike earlier in the game, you can wipe out the minions and reinforcements that disperse tower fire, often allowing you to apply greater pressure to demigods with them than earlier in the game.

Towers do not scale well if you depend on them for as a single attack, just like fireball, spit, rain of ice, penitence, etc. are not going to scale well enough to be good without fire nova, surge of faith, ooze, and all the other secondary attacks that every other DG is expected to take.

Perhaps most people's issues with tower scaling come from the capacity to make a rook solely based around towers with Structural Transfer rather than having rank IV hammers ready by level 12. That's simply a tactical error on their part and that's what happens when you don't build a DG with the late game at mind.

 

Reply #42 Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 36



Quoting wrastler118,
reply 31
Fire TB is clearly the best.


I love not being able to chase people!

If your using just one form with TB, your hurting yourself a LOT.
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If you know how to use him, regardless of no AA, then he's still a viable character. The fact that he can clear waves of creeps early on, level very fast and do 1050 fireball, is hard to pass up.

Reply #43 Top

By not scale I meant most demigods can wade into my tower farm, kill me, get up, go to the toilet, get some juice out of the fridge and get back to get out of the farm with no trouble at all.

Reply #44 Top

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 43
By not scale I meant most demigods can wade into my tower farm, kill me, get up, go to the toilet, get some juice out of the fridge and get back to get out of the farm with no trouble at all.
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You're doing something wrong then. What's yoru build?

Reply #45 Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 44

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 43By not scale I meant most demigods can wade into my tower farm, kill me, get up, go to the toilet, get some juice out of the fridge and get back to get out of the farm with no trouble at all.You're doing something wrong then. What's yoru build?
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Doing something wrong! He past that point a hundred miles back if someone can do all that crap while still in the tower pasture.

 

also Your not yoru XD

Reply #46 Top

Doing something wrong! He past that point a hundred miles back if someone can do all that crap while still in the tower pasture.



also Your not yoru
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It's "passed," not "past," and the point of your first line is indecipherable.

Reply #47 Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 46

Doing something wrong! He past that point a hundred miles back if someone can do all that crap while still in the tower pasture.



also Your not yoru It's "passed," not "past," and the point of your first line is indecipherable.
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I hate you; you are no fun :ninja: :ninja: :ninja:

Reply #48 Top

It's... a mix and match, roughly going tower>archer>hammer>tower>bowl>light>tower>hammer>... Cata only sometimes.

The DGs that prance around my picket fence are Sedna, Erebus, Oak and UB. I've no trouble against the others.

Reply #49 Top

The rook is right in the middle of the second tier, if anything, sedna is closer to the top tier than the rook.  The rook does have one thing going for him, he can stun five demigods at once for 2.5 seconds and damage them in only half the cast time of LE's mass charm.  There's nothing more fun than watching some noob UB run over to spit you only to realize they've walked into my back up, boulder roll, hammer slam, 8 tower 1hko.  The numbers in that attack are staggering

 

120 per hit with good armor * 8 = 960 damage

boulder roll does ~250 damage = 1210 damage

maxed out hammer slam does 1700 damage = 2910 damage
Then, as they flee, all the towers hit them one more time for another 960, bringing the total to 3870 damage in 3 seconds. Also, they have 50% movespeed slow and get slammed with AA, tower of light, and arrows.

 

When you get into those large endgame fights on cataract in your base, the numbers when you through in the extra two demigods and creeps become staggering. I've dealt more damage in 15 seconds of the endgame than I do in the rest of the game combined :D

Reply #50 Top

Quoting The_Regicide, reply 48
It's... a mix and match, roughly going tower>archer>hammer>tower>bowl>light>tower>hammer>... Cata only sometimes.

The DGs that prance around my picket fence are Sedna, Erebus, Oak and UB. I've no trouble against the others.
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Except on Prison I feel it's impossible to dance around a tower farm. The range is too great to slip past on any commonly played map with lanes.

I'm not really sure what I can say here other than I find Sedna and Oak especially easy to keep out of tower farm and there's only one specific build with UB that involves BotS that I have much trouble with.