My opinion:

- BotS UB: i go full spit + all HP items (banded, nimoth, unbreakable, hauberk, narmoth's ring), throw in a BoSpeed until u have for narmoth's, no helmet since u dont need it with BotS. Terrific at taking down towers and harassing enemy DGs, but squishy early game in melee combat, not the tank UB usually is (and teammates expect u to be ). Bad at crowd control till lvl6 when u get Postmortem. This is a great UB unless u face Oak, Ere, and/or Sedna (maybe Qot), since they can basically negate Spit damage + BotS mana regen.

- BotF UB: 1 point in spit (just to use your mana), full ooze + inner beast, 1 point FGrasp, 1 point diseased claws, all hp stacked items too. A true tank early game, great at crowd control and XvY fights, u can make any other DG run in fear. I dont get/need helmets till late game since i dont updgrade Spit until Lvl11+. Really shines against minion builds. Bad: Not that good taking down towers, can't effectively spit+run.

I'm still unsure which one is better. BotS UB is a terribly effective if they let u spam spit, but gotta be extremely cautious, cant engage in 1v1, 2v2 melees till late cos you'll die, and you'll get flamed by PuG teammates . So i tend to play BotF UB if i face Ere, and BotS depending on amount of Oak/Sedna/Ere/QoT in enemy team.

Added: Getting Plenor instead of Vlemish as your only Helmet makes no sense at all..............

I used to get Post Mortem, until I realized it reduced the experience I received.

Post Mortem is overkill, I pretty much never take it.

How can that be?    Is it bugged or what? Creeps xploding near you killing other nearby -> XP for you. Xploding away from you cos u had to run, killing other creeps away, thats Xp you wouldn't be getting anyway .

My point in getting PMortem instead of Ooze in BotS UB is HP is very much needed early game (cos of no BotF), losing 40hp/s is a high risk for an early squishy UB. With PMortem u get Crowd control (although worse than ooze) without losing HP.

Nah, it has something to do with the units dying before 250 damage is done to them, not properly tagging them.

Yeah, you don't get any experience from creeps that are knocked away by post mortem. I only ever get it if I play against an all-out minion build. Plague is even worse, it removes the post mortem effect.

You're looking at it the wrong way. You're not just losing 40 HP/second, you're reducing enemy attack speed by 30%. If you're being wailed on by minions, creeps, or DGs it's a net HP gain.

Well, that sucks , another bug to the list . In this case BoTS UB loses a point in my book, since ooze is dangerous for him early, and PMortem decreases the XP you get.

I know, Ooze is great, but HP is precious for a BotS UB early game. You're well under 3000HP a good amount of time until u can afford a pair of good hp items (nimoth, unbreakable) early game, and hp regen is quite low too. In this case, PMortem would be a much better mean of crowd control for UB than Ooze, if it wasn't bugged as you told me.

Now that i know i'll probably have to rethink my BotS UB, and risk taking a point of Ooze instead of PMortem. But this BotS UB is getting squishier, things look better for all Ooze + BotF UB in my book now .

Fine by me, I hate fighting other BotS UBs.

And just for the hell of it, here's a replay of kingslet and me facing the same players: replay

 

I can't wait for the first person to post about how whichever team played better or or worse in whatever match. The idea of proving a strat is better/worse via a single replay is absurd. People make mistakes, have bad days, etc. All a replay shows is the quality of a single match, not a player, team, or build.

Uh..it's -20 hps at level one, not 40. Loosing 60 hps to keep ooze on for 3 seconds to kill a wave of creeps is hardly a big deal.

Wow you are kind of obsessed .  The replay was just the only game I had saved with my build I posted that instead of having to type it up.  I wasn't basing my post on one game where the other team was less skilled.

 

And yes I do like blood better, my main point is the skills I select and the order, you should always max spit/ooze because its crazy damage and thats the pt of UB.  Not gonna argue over which favor item is better, im sure it different combos they both can outshine the other.  Im basically just to lazy to push that favor item when im trying to kill someone =/.

Yes my bad, too used to see it take 40-50 hp/s off of my Ooze BotF UB.

Actually it's pretty sweet, you can hit it during foul grasp to free yourself from the stun. Helps a ton for closing with people.

I definitely agree with this. I love how much damage UB does, especially after level 15 with BotS. The thing is with BotS you can actually afford to keep Putrid Flows active for 5 out of every 7 seconds for a ridiculous 250'ish DPS, and really late game you can start spamming Beastial Wrath as well without mana issues, which a BotF UB could never do. Not that most games go that long, but it's nice to know if they do, you're going to bring the pain.

I can kill almost an entire creep wave with spit. That's insane.

 

It's the level 15 spit ability, Putrid Flow. It gives spit some decent AoE. With BotS, you can spam it.

It's not just AoE, it's a 66% dps increase on spit for 5 out of every 7 seconds

I like it better than acclimation, to be honest. It's probably not a rational love.

No offense, but if you're getting "a lot" of kills, especially early game, you're probably facing noobs.


And i also always have the level advantage on any UB bcuz i force them to go back to citadel early to regen =/.  I see your point very late game if I get no kills but until that happens BoTF is better because the whole pt of UB is to get kills not harras ppl with spit.


That's only if they're stupid enough to fight you early game when BotF UB has the advantage in a 1v1. A skilled BotS UB will back off the first few levels and creep elsewhere. If you follow me all across the map you're loosing just as much experience as I am.

And BotS helps you get kills by allowing you to keep your mana up. Gotta love playing as a BotF UB where your enemy escapes with 500 health because you didn't have enough mana for an extra foul grasp or spit.

So stupid guys.. UB just get

plenor battle crown

nimoth chest armor

unbreakable boots

nimoth ring

hauberk armor

TB_Master, here's how they should be compared:

BotS Beast:

Banded Armor (+400 Health)

Unbreakable Boots (+600 Health)

Nimoth Chest Armor (+500 Health + 750 Armor)

Hauberk of Life (+600 Health)

Narmoth's Ring (+750 Health)

Blade of the Serpent (+0 Health)

 

BotF Beast:

Plenor

Nimoth Chest Armor (+500 Health +750 Armor)

Unbreakable Boots (+600 Health)

Narmoth's Ring (+750 Health)

Hauberk of Life (+600 Health)

BotF (+800 Health)

 

BotF Beast gets 400 extra health and 1175 extra mana, while BotS beast gets enough mana to constantly spam. I think that BotS is worth it given this comparison.

When I go spit I pretty much always get Blade of the Serpent now.  And straight Ooze gets Blood of course.  Both are good builds.  It also should be noted that Blade gives a bonus to attack damage that nobody seems to care about.

That's a good point. It's often worthwhile for a BotS beast to grab gauntlets of brutality as well for surprisingly high early game damage.

Another example http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=104192