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Oak`s shield ability after the new update

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Oak`s shield ability after the new update

Oak`s is gonna make u his personal bi*ch

from Demigod Forums

Hey guys I`m having some huge rage about Oak righ now especially his shield skill. Now its imposbile to stun him, he can run right in your base make you his personal bi*ch and tele out of there just in time for breakfast and a big LOL "I owned a naab"  ,from my point of view this makes the game really really!! lame and balance just goes out the fracking window. Am I wrong(if I am bring me some hard arguments) or everybody is really happy about this wonderfull change that can be used with the ultra insane lame tactic hammer slam to rap3 naabz.

Waiting for some good replays.....

demigod
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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Past level 6 or 7 the damage for the UGs is rather low for the cast time/gold. The heal is nice, but again, not for the cast time/gold (But I don't think it should heal that much at all, but thats another topic).

I think having to sacrifice an item slow just for dispelling cap locks would be irritating. If you use the slot for a UG then you have more options then just reacting to someone elses lock. A lock you can actively use. If you had a Lock Dispell you would have it sit in your item slot until someone ELSE used a lock.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 17

I said... "No other demigod has this kind of impunity, or is able to do anything similar until very late game (lvl7 is fairly early mind you). Any other demigod faces almost certain death if he dares to capture a portal alone and enemy team notices and comes to prevent it."

 

Not Erebus, and even Sedna with rank 2 silence can just laugh off an attack as she tp's home safely.

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Negative. Close, but nowhere near the impunity Oak has with his shield lvl3.

A lvl7 Ere, 2 secs stun of mass charm lvl3 leaves the enemy more than a sec left to interrupt your tele-stun-kill you.

A lvl7 Sedna, with silence lvl1 they cant interrupt you for those 3 secs of silence, but u need a little more time to target the teleport added to the 3 secs of teleport cast time. So they still have a tiny chance to interrupt your tp. But the important part is this, if you sit there standing still waiting for the TP to complete you're taking all the damage theyre throwing at you, be it autoattacks, minions, creeps, previous spits and whatnot, so you need to be fairly healthy to survive the teleport.

A lvl7 Oak, he can take all the heat he wants, walk past double towers firing at him, ignore them B) , try to cap the damn portal, fight enemy DGs, get below 500HP, shield himself and merrily teleport out. Do that with lvl7 Sedna/Ere, you'll die-get interrupted for sure before teleport completes.

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

I think having to sacrifice an item slow just for dispelling cap locks would be irritating. If you use the slot for a UG then you have more options then just reacting to someone elses lock. A lock you can actively use. If you had a Lock Dispell you would have it sit in your item slot until someone ELSE used a lock.
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Sure, but my goal isn't to make cap locks unusable in the midfield, I only take issue with them on portals, in which case it wouldn't be a big deal since you'd be by the shop anyway. You'd just take them instead of the locks.

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

Negative. Close, but nowhere near the impunity Oak has with his shield lvl3.
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You've taken me way out of context. I disputed that he was the only one, not that he was best or the first.

Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

Well, I would love if someone used a UG on every one of my flag locks. 500 gold to counter a 250 gold item would be quite the win for me if I was using the locks.

The point is to give them a counter, not null them out and the pricing makes it so they are not nulled out.

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 30
Well, I would love if someone used a UG on every one of my flag locks. 500 gold to counter a 250 gold item would be quite the win for me if I was using the locks.

The point is to give them a counter, not null them out and the pricing makes it so they are not nulled out.
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Yeah, but your'e assuming they gut both the healing and the damage of gadgets, which I don't think sounds very fun at all, not to mention most people either seem to like or are indifferent to gadgets as-is.

Reply #32 from Demigod Forums Top

Why would you 'gut' the damage and healing of the gadget?

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 29

Negative. Close, but nowhere near the impunity Oak has with his shield lvl3.

 

You've taken me way out of context. I disputed that he was the only one, not that he was best or the first.

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Well, you did the same before by partially quoting me, so i guess it's all fair and dandy ;P . Please refer to my first post in this thread to see what i'm talking about, don't quote me if you're disputing anyone else's point :digichet: .

I'm talking specifically about this whole Cataract-Oak game mechanic-situation. Sedna or Erebus need at least another 3 lvls to act with such impunity, that's not early game anymore.

Furthermore, Erebus would need 4 out of 10 skill points in Mass Charm which really distracts him from getting/upgrading so many other awesome/main skills such as Bite, Batswarm, Vampiric Blood, Mist or nightwalkers skills. Meanwhile Shield is like the bread and butter for Oak, and you only need 3 points in it.

I don't wanna start a discussion on what DG is more OP :grin: but this kind of impunity, this cheap (just 250 gold, 3 skill points)and this early (Lvl 7) is too much IMH(umble)O. Maybe keep lvl3 shield un-stunnable but interruptible.

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 32
Why would you 'gut' the damage and healing of the gadget?
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I dunno, you tell me :/
Quoting Teseer,
I think think they should stay how they are. I think they need to do a check to see what 'friendly' they are targeting. 2,000 is great for towers but I feel it should do a percentage to players. I also think it shouldnt dmg enemies, rather apply some sort of debuff that I cant think of right now.
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Reply #35 from Demigod Forums Top

lol, I forgot about that.

Yes, I do think it should change, but I was just talking about adding the 'dispell flaglock' as I havnt had time to think of how else to change it. I probably should of mentioned that.

My bad, sick at work ;)

Reply #36 from Demigod Forums Top

By the way, Universal Gadgets breaking Flag Locks seems like a great idea to me :thumbsup: .

Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Well, you did the same before by partially quoting me, so i guess it's all fair and dandy .
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Do you feel I changed the meaning of the quoted line by not including the rest of the quote? I don't feel I changed it, I both acknowledged you were correct that Oak does it best and earliest but still clarified I had never said otherwise. Yours was a pretty major departure from my intent, not that it really matters.

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 37

Do you feel I changed the meaning of the quoted line by not including the rest of the quote? I don't feel I changed it, I both acknowledged you were correct that Oak does it best and earliest but still clarified I had never said otherwise. Yours was a pretty major departure from my intent, not that it really matters.

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Yes, this is silly off-topic ^_^ . I was referring to the first message where you quote me in this thread:

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 17

...No other demigod has this kind of impunity, or is able to do anything similar until very late game (lvl7 is fairly early mind you). Any other demigod faces almost certain death if he dares to capture a portal alone and enemy team notices and comes to prevent it.

Not Erebus, and even Sedna with rank 2 silence can just laugh off an attack as she tp's home safely.

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It does look indeed like i'm saying Oak's the only one who can escape alive a sneaky portal cap attempt, which i wasn't. I don't know if that's what you understood or what you wanted to refute, a single line has a limited meaning you know ;P .

Anyway, i think i've made my point on Oak Shield clear with subsequent comments by now, lets hear what other people have to say.

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

Arlight, I'll just rehash my point then and move on:

Oak is the only one who can do that at level 7, but at level 7 you generally still have side towers up and there's not an especially good reason besides someone dying for you to be leaving a lane unguarded anyway. By the time giants and catapults reach the field there's a very good chance that several other DGs will be able to perform the same feat, so I don't see how an early game lock can be unacceptable but an absolute game ending lock is perfectly fine... why is an uninterruptible lock fine at 10?

I think the game devolves into portal locking much too consistently and that it needs to be more geneerally addressed. Oak's shield usage is a symptom of the problem, not vice versa. It has plenty of legit uses, like allowing a partner to escape DGs with snares, preventing spits, etc.

So for people who want to see it nerfed at 7 but not at 10, I ask why it's fine to perform an uninterruptible lock on a portal pumping out giants, catapults, priests, soldiers, and archers? Isn't that the worst time for that mechanic to dominate the game?

Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

Very nice debate here but can somebody shade some light on my complaint? I`ll ask again more simple this time.Did shield skill got changed after this new update or did others demigod got some drastic changes about stuning oak in shield?

In the past before the new update I was able to stun oak in shield with TB`s frost nova or deep freez at any lvl.

Reply #41 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting pizdosu_belit, reply 40
Very nice debate here but can somebody shade some light on my complaint? I`ll ask again more simple this time.Did shield skill got changed after this new update or did others demigod got some drastic changes about stuning oak in shield?

In the past before the new update I was able to stun oak in shield with TB`s frost nova or deep freez at any lvl.
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I dunno what to tell you. I can only assume people weren't taking high level shield, but you and I played quite a few times over the past week really and I always get up to rank 3... so I assume it was an issue of the quality of players, you'd be surprised how many people play oak in goofy ways.

Reply #42 from Demigod Forums Top

There was a "new" update? Funny, my game hasn't been updated since 11/19/09 according to Impulse...

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

SHIELD III is bull. And this has nothing to do with locking flags or portals whatever.

Oak can take risks that are absolutely bullshit. After level 7 which is quite early a good OAK is IMMORTAL. Whatever stupid thing he does, he can shield and port away. THIS IS BAD FOR GAMEPLAY. A demigod should ALWAYS risk dieing. A good level 7 oak will NEVER DIE.

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

Well I remember with version 1.091 when choosing oak I never got any tele`s or potions just always got HoL because I knew that with even max lvl shield an Er or Tb or Rock, Sedna could stun me.Gonna reinstall the retail version with no updates and check if my memory serves me right.