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DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

DG Players: Tier 1, Tier 2, and Those to be Avoided

This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615

 

Why create this thread?

Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho.  It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are.  That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category.  So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out.  Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other.  So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.

Your part if you want to participate

Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today?  I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc).  I'm happy to have everyone's feedback.  I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight.  Perhaps we'll get games going.  You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted. 

You can nominate anyone you want.  To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list.  If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.

I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each.  Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.

Tier 1 Demigod Players:

Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well.  They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5.  These are players that do not cheat or desync games.  These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game.  Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.  

  • abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
  • cowbuttzex
  • kalelsmx
  • GM-Janook
  • gm-magnus333
  • GM-Mcshane
  • GM-Mithrander
  • GM-NinkiCZ
  • GM-Renz0kuken
  • GM-Zen_God
  • Nomilarac
  • Orcun
  • OMG-pacov
  • Paulie Carbone
  • RAWRRRR
  • ThatGuyYoulove/ boxxy_Koush
  • trousersnake

Tier 2 Demigod Players:

These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same.  Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2).  The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players. 

  • 2nana
  • Alterschism 
  • Amazing_Hero (oak)
  • Archon_SAAR (regulus!)
  • Atma44x (torch bearer)
  • captnspaulding
  • Celmare
  • Darz4 (qot)
  • DD_Karebears
  • Epiphenomenon (beast)
  • Esuzu
  • eXXcentric
  • Grahf666
  • IamKira
  • _illuminati_
  • Iokke
  • irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
  • Jaws8you
  • Jona__
  • Jongalt26
  • Ke5trel
  • Kitty007
  • Kollecktir
  • Lethstang (oak + ub)
  • lifekatana
  • LuftBR
  • Maccilia
  • Naur (oak + da + reg)
  • Obiwhan
  • Ogham
  • peterdumptruck
  • prozombie
  • Shred_demon (demon assassin)
  • Soccer-mom
  • spooky_
  • STFNG
  • Teseer (tb)
  • Thundercles
  • xXxXxAchillesTGxXxX
  • Xynth
  • yeahneil
  • Zoahr

Tier 3 Demigod Players:

A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...

Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:

These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat.  You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.

  • AlienWarrior - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter confirmed by pacov.  As of 1/5/2010, this player has 34 wins and 0 losses and is ladder ranked 34.  I played a game with him in a 1v1 with him as the host.  After confirming that the player spoke English, I asked him if he would let the stats count if I beat him (there is currently a simple exploit that enables any host in a 1v1 game to make the game disappear if they don't want the stats to be kept - Also note that this player plays almost exclusively 1v1 games).  The player did not respond to my question.  As I began to tear down both sides of the player's base, he used the stat exploit and the game vanished as a result.  The player used this exploit with about 10 minutes left in the game.  Based on his stats and skill level (read: not highly skilled), this player is clearly exploiting the stat system.
  • PrizmSmurf - This player should be avoided.  Stat exploiter and poor sport confirmed by pacov on 4/1/2010.  After losing in a 2v2 matchup, PrizmSmurf said "I hope you die a long slow death of cancer.  I mean it."  Then said, "Bet you are going to enjoy watching me desync."  Then, just before the citadel went down, desynced the game. Based on his stats, he clearly does not desync games on a regular basis, but wishing cancer on someone because they beat you in a game and then committing the one offense in demigod that can get you banned (saying you are desycning then desyncing) is a bit over the top.  I suggest you avoid him. 
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Reply #1176 Top

Pacov, im here because im not going to let you come here and bash me without defending myself. You were big part in the failure of that game, and to come in hear and say to everyone you had a bad run in with me because i had a problem with how low you were acting is out of line on your part. you want to evaluate performance here? why? so you can discriminate people and shrink your already small circle into elite players that nobody wants to play.

how many of you have different accounts to mask your experience so you can actually find a game? i know i've seen plenty.

 

How about putting all the smurf account names next to all your tier 1 players.

 

In an already sparse population, i don't need people avoiding my games because they come here and think what you say is fact. Considering how much influence you spread in the forums you gave me no choice but to tell my side of it.

 

 

Reply #1177 Top

Xynth - I reiterate - there is no point in a further discussion with you.  You maintain you are right.  I disagree.  Not much else to say on the matter.  The key statement in my last post was this:

Xynth - perhaps we can just leave it at this? We played a game together that we could not win. The oc on our team was certainly not anywhere being on the same page and his build was extremely squishy. You and I still appear to have different strategies in DG. I think mine are better than yours, and vice versa.
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Is that simple statement unsatisfactory or are you simply being unreasonable?

 

 

 

 

No one could have won that that game with you as a reg, me as a HP stack oak, and our oc as a squishy "I can run from battles build" but put up no fight.  Ask our opponents.  The clear consensus was that there was shite we could do with the oc.  Even if all I did was follow him and shield, he'd die or I'd die when he jumped away and my shield was gone.  No one is trying to run you off of lagwars or get people to avoid you.  I don't have any grudge with you.  You were a dick to me in 1 game.  Perhaps I was a dick to you in another.  Woo.  Play your games on lagwars and have some fun.  We simply don't have to play together again.  Or if we do, I really don't give a rip.  No one you play with on lagwars is going to refuse to play with you.  Those guys aren't like that unless you are a dick to them.  So, even if you've only been rude to me an jaws, I really doubt everyone on there is going to shun you or even care.  It happens.  People are jerks.  Now, be so kind as to knock this off. 

Reply #1178 Top

In my opinion 6 people should not be in tier 1 and 6 people are missing in tier 1 :-) and I play a lot and see a lot of players playing :-)

Reply #1179 Top

^Well share your opinions Zen_God. I don't think I belong there actually, but based on the other people there, then I definitely belong there.

I have mine too but I don't want the forum to explode.

Reply #1180 Top

Quoting GM-NinkiCZ, reply 1179
^Well share your opinions Zen_God. I don't think I belong there actually, but based on the other people there, then I definitely belong there.

I have mine too but I don't want the forum to explode.
End of GM-NinkiCZ's quote

Yes, let's hear it, from both of you please.  We need some new controversy, so we can move on from this whole Xynth fiasco.

Reply #1181 Top

Quoting nomilarac, reply 1158

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 1147I like how GM has majority rule of deciding who is on Tier 1...


Democracy in action... 

I wonder why i'm still not in T1 ... 

Oh well, i guess it takes either a GM clan membership or being one of Pacov's close friends to get your ass into T1... 

As if i cared...

...

  
End of nomilarac's quote

God, I'm sure I don't want to be Tier 1......TOO MUCH PRESSURE!!!111   XO XO x_x

e.g. posts like this 

Quoting pacov, reply 1109


Anyway, fair enough.  Onto a discussion of my skills. My next point will take a moment to develop...  STOP.  What thread are you reading?  What's that?  Pacov's list of tier 1, tier 2, and players to be avoided.  Why the hell would you want to read a noobs list of players that he thinks are good/bad/too be avoided?  Let me try this another way.  Do any of you think that Rawrrrr thinks he's a lousy player or useless outside of lagwars?  How about anyone in the tier 1 list.  Do you think, for a second, that those players think they are good... better than you even?  What?  Pacov is the list, though nominated for it by others?  And he, too, thinks he's a better player than many folks?  Impossible.  Will ANYONE win with a weaker team, regardless of how awesome they are in Demigod?  I'd argue no.  A stronger player can (AND HAS TO) compensate for weaker players.  So, right there - a clear and obvious admittance that if I have a weaker team I will lose in most cases.  Does that have ANY bearing on my skill level?  No.  It would happen to any tier 1 in most circumstances. 

Anyway - on equal teams - yes, I think I am a better player than MANY folks.  Plenty of people are in the same boat as me.  Its not arrogant to say that I play the game better than many folks.  You probably do too.  I play alot of games against alot of people, and I feel I have a good grasp on who is good and who isn't quite on the same level.  Hence the list.
 
 
End of pacov's quote

Seeing as there's quite a lot but not too many Tier 2s, I'm quite happy with that position.  It means it's like "woo! I is quite good and the peoples mostly agree"  :dur:     And if I lose in a fairly embarrassing way an odd time (e.g. a certain all sedna game last night) it's just like, "ah, shreddy is just a tier 2... no pressure on him for consistent mega super awesomeness"  ^_^'

But shit like this is so hard to assess isn't it?  In absolute honesty if I was pugging right now I'd be indifferent to say having Naur or Cow on my team, Zoahr or Magnus, ABornExile or RAWRRR, Celmare or McShane etc....  I suppose it's the sort of subjectivity to this that makes it so much fun to discuss ^^

That's just my little opinion on it anyway  ;)

Closing points:

BratE9000 says he's Tier 2 - I'll try and dig out some replays of him

ABornExile says something offensive about this post, so that probably means he feels left out  :pout:

Howboutnoooo says "Jigrins"

Reply #1182 Top

^Even though according to ABornExile, he probably thinks he belongs in Tier 0, above all the tiers which makes him the god of all gods, he does belong in Tier 2.

Reply #1184 Top

Quoting Zen_God, reply 1178
In my opinion 6 people should not be in tier 1 and 6 people are missing in tier 1 and I play a lot and see a lot of players playing
End of Zen_God's quote

I think i already know  1 of the guy you think belongs in tier 1 :D

Reply #1185 Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 1183
I nominate Allistar
End of Teseer's quote

I hope you're joking. 

Reply #1186 Top

No, I've had a few games with him as a good Erebus. Never seen him as anything else.

Reply #1187 Top

No, he's a good player. Not why I'm laughing. 

Reply #1188 Top

Alright, then I'm confused.

Reply #1189 Top

Quoting Teseer, reply 1183
I nominate Allistar
End of Teseer's quote

LOL You're like my favourite person, ever.

Reply #1190 Top

Alright, then I'm confused.
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Most of us that play on lagwars know all of the smurf accounts.  That is one.

I suppose it's the sort of subjectivity to this that makes it so much fun to discuss
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Exactly right.  Some are great in 2v2... some with just certain teammates... most will lose on a terrible team... its just totally and completely subjective.  GM lost a game because they were playing with silly characters, not because they got beat fair and square.  I think most of us always have some reason for why we lose. 

Reply #1191 Top

I realized he was a smurf when I got the lolz from Hedge. I was confused as to why it's funny. Isn't the point of a smurf for people not to know? Regardless if some people know or not, I just didn't see what was funny for the point of a smurf account being upheld.


McShane and Janook had some pretty out there item picks our last game. Don't remember what they were cause I'm at work, but they were pretty goofy.

Reply #1192 Top

Allistar is an account used by like 8 people LOL

Reply #1193 Top

Quoting Cowbuttzex, reply 1192
Allistar is an account used by like 8 people LOL
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LOL! That's pretty funny...

Reply #1194 Top

I'll just take it as a sign I need to play more, lol.

A 40+ day break kills knowing whats currently up. I'm still catchin up ;)

Reply #1195 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 1138
Recommending a guy to tier 1 after a beating < an hour ago though... should have been somewhat even based on our tier list anyway.  It wasn't.  It was a fun game though. 
End of pacov's quote

Oops, I had no idea you were talking about Mith here.

Well McShane87 was in that game so does this mean he should be removed from the Tier list too? I've played enough games with Mith to know he's definitely up to par for Tier 1. He'll post up his replay soon for the tourney anyway.

Reply #1196 Top

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122465

 Playing against all tier 1s we still won with an oak i have never seen :) .

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122648
another good game against tier ones

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122646
Made one mistake by not noticing nom was low hp, but other then that carried the game feeding our erebus with support and capping flags.  Dloading that nifty god panel after that game ;) .

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122642
Almost beat ninki obi and a good player that just came back.  After peter fed and left.  Carried the entire game until ninki caught up with me in levels and then hp because i had to buy citadel upgrades that peter couldnt.  Eventually lost because we didnt have peter to lock a flag if one of us died.

 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122375
Coin purse reg against rook ub oak, need i say more 

 

Reply #1197 Top

Weigh in on jona if you guys have a moment to check out his replays. He pm'd me this info a couple days back but I haven't watched them yet.  He's certainly capable and easily qualifies for tier 2 imo.  Tier 1.  I'm not sure yet.  He played well when I got to play with/against, but I think he's still shaking the dust off after being gone for a bit.  Thoughts?

Well McShane87 was in that game so does this mean he should be removed from the Tier list too? I've played enough games with Mith to know he's definitely up to par for Tier 1. He'll post up his replay soon for the tourney anyway.
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I'll be watching his replays in the tourney.  I won't hold him back any longer (unless he gets wiped in his first round match).  Based on the list as it is, that match will be 2 tier 2's vs a 1 and a 2.  Anyway, bottom line if renz and mith win that match, I'll put mith to tier 1.  I actually think that might be the first match to go 3 rounds, but we'll see (anyone else notice that there hasn't been a single 3 round game in the tourney yet). 

Reply #1198 Top

Quoting Jona__, reply 1196
http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122465

 Playing against all tier 1s we still won with an oak i have never seen  .

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122648
another good game against tier ones

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122646
Made one mistake by not noticing nom was low hp, but other then that carried the game feeding our erebus with support and capping flags.  Dloading that nifty god panel after that game  .

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122642
Almost beat ninki obi and a good player that just came back.  After peter fed and left.  Carried the entire game until ninki caught up with me in levels and then hp because i had to buy citadel upgrades that peter couldnt.  Eventually lost because we didnt have peter to lock a flag if one of us died.

 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=122375
Coin purse reg against rook ub oak, need i say more 

 
End of Jona__'s quote

That first game was so funny. I got stunned so many times when I was going to heal and I remembered why I don't play sedna. The second game is not worth posting here or in the first place and I will be linking a replay of you getting your ass kicked shortly for some retribution my entire team didn't give a shit after the first 5 minutes.

As for your tier one status I am undecided yet. I am on the fence!

Reply #1199 Top

I'll be watching his replays in the tourney. I won't hold him back any longer (unless he gets wiped in his first round match). Based on the list as it is, that match will be 2 tier 2's vs a 1 and a 2. Anyway, bottom line if renz and mith win that match, I'll put mith to tier 1. I actually think that might be the first match to go 3 rounds, but we'll see (anyone else notice that there hasn't been a single 3 round game in the tourney yet).
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Oh! Hey that opens a nice window - So if Tes and I beat R/K i.e. two Tier 2's beat two Tier 1's does that put us in Tier 1? 

;P

Reply #1200 Top

Quoting Ke5trel, reply 1199


Oh! Hey that opens a nice window - So if Tes and I beat R/K i.e. two Tier 2's beat two Tier 1's does that put us in Tier 1? 

End of Ke5trel's quote

Damn right it does, lol.

I hang just fine with...pretty much anyone I play with. If everything feels I'm teir 2, thats fine, but I don't agree ;)

Edit: And I agree with Cow. The only thing that 'Ooze v Spit' replay shows is why not to feed a UB/LE. I think we all knew that already anyway.

Edit: But I do feel Jona is pretty good. I'll reserve judgement till I play with him more.

Edit again, read that second line again, I sound like a douche, lol.