mard's hammer on AA reg can easily be win.

Also, the point has been made more than once that choosing plenor or vlem is a matter of opinion and both work fine depending on your playstyle.  Since you clearly don't know this and obv favor vlem due to theorycrafting that it's superior in the long run I'll sum up the opinions on why to choose plenor:

• It provides more base mana.  Some people don't spend all day in the field to let vlemish recharge; instead they would rather save their mana and then blow a big load in a fight -- run back to base.
• Assuming you're only getting one crown, which a lot of the people who only get plenor do.. you get the higher base + the increased effect from someone else's vlemish
• it's 250g cheaper.

It is mostly the first bullet that most people choose plenor (assuming they're not noobs.. who knows why they make the choices they do?).  I'd dig up the thread to link... but goood players have sworn by using plenor as a solo helm simply because it fits their playstyle better.  Vlem is superior only if you stay out in the field a long time..

@lifekatana

1. you are right. Plenor is NOT worth buying instead of Vlemish.

Also, if you look at Vlemish's stats, you will see that it gives 11 mps + 4 mps Aura = 15 mps to the user. So, 500/15 = 33 secs. 33 seconds to restore the missing 500 mana.

2. again you are right, the 4 mps Aura is somewhat deceptive. So what if you receive the benefit of 4 mps from someone else? thats too small of an mps increase.

3. 250 gold is the amount of a tp, thats like nothing.

I was with you right until you said, "dodge amulet."  I assume you meant the Pendant of Grace, which is actually a fine favor item if you're playing a dodge build.  There's a solid LE build that relies on that favor item.

Bmans and Chirms mods are great though, couldn't live without em.

Yeah...you are talking about a very particular situation. These are a lot of "ifs". IF you have tb, and IF someone has Vlemish, and IF he is near you, and IF you get scaled helm.

In general, Vlemish is better than Plenor, but sometimes Plenor is a little better.

Plenor can actually be better if you have a Oculus in your team

Or if you play on a map with default +15mana/seconds from start.

I usualy get both anyway.

It's also map dependant. Leviathan has flags that give you +15 mana per second. You an idiot if you buy Vlemish on that map instead of Plenor.

In most other cases it's debateable which choice is better. I'd often rather have an extra 500 mana with less regen and save the couple hundred gold. For example any time I take Blade of the Serpent. Or on any demigod where I use up a lot of mana in a short period.

It's actually much easier to make a case for Plenor Battlcrown than it is for Vlemish.

Last game I played a 4v4, none of my teammates took BotF. And I had Oak, Rook and Ereb on my team. The rook took Anklet and Boots of speed in the beginning ^^

where can i DL the ooooooverlay

You pretend it's some enourmous pool of mana, its not. 500 mana is not even one spit(since I know you'

re quite the UBlover).

I understand your strategy, and coming from an UB player I am not surprised. I've seen this a lot from UB's and its not i But in my humble opinion it is not a very good strat in general (and for all chars save UB) and dare I say a hallmark of bad players. Running back and forth counting on being able to score a kill in one burst will seriously impend your ability to farm and push your lane. Running back every min is just a waste of experience imho and since vlemisch gives all that mana back in 41 secs the guy that stays in his lane will rack up more gold and more experience and in the long run will beat the plenorplayer.

In my opinion, your strategy of a "decisive battle"is foolish and shortsighted. In the time your enemy is running back to base to get more mana you should be downing towers. Indeed running back to base when your oom, is in most cases a bad choice, since you leave your lane undefended.

P.S. It's on the modding forums, username Chirmaya. 

Chirmaya's Rollover:

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/369526

Bman's Teampanel:

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/369937

P.S. Besides Oak is a tier I char too.    

so if 500 mana is nothing.. why even get helms?  If 500 mana is nothing.. then so is 1000 mana.. it's just double nothing.  So is 5000 mana, it's just 10 x nothing.  

It IS enough for one spit.  You clearly don't understand there is a cd on spit.  Since you picked beast as an example.. (which is what people who vouch for plenor usually are.. or else tb's), spit is 7 second cd, and you won't run oom after 2 spits and a 2 grasps with just a plenor.  So... that gives enough time to regen the mana just enough to add 1 more spit and completely oom yourself.  And that 1 spit can make all the difference.

The guy with vlemish can't stay in his lane.  If he fights you, he will lose.  He doesn't have the mana for that last spit.  So, either he sits behind the tower and lets you keep the flag, or he fights you and dies or has to run back to base.  You run back to base after the heavy fight and still have the flag the whole time.  Looks like you're still ahead.

I understand that you DONT play this strat.  I don't play this strat either.  I prefer to stay out as long as possible usually.  Can you at least see that it's viable?  

K.. dug up the post for you.  It IS a beast.. guy who sat #1 on broken ladders for a long time.. but played with some of the best.  Posidenii and Orcun_BL played with him often and his strat worked with them.  Not gonna bother arguing anymore over something pointless... it's clear that you are entirely too stubborn to accept anything other than your own opinions.

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/364290/page/1/#replies

you have absolutely no idea how to spell the name of the item your whinging about. how fail.

I don't whine about Vlemisch. I am a non-native speaker. Typing fast also typically results in garbled up words.