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Time to nerf minions... In pantheon it's minions almost every.... game.

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Time to nerf minions... In pantheon it's minions almost every.... game.

from Demigod Forums

The biggest problem with minions is they take way too long to kill (they are way too strong in terms of hp/dps for the # of them you get), and there's too many of them, almost every pantheon game is oak and ereb every... single... game.  There needs to be anti minion on demigod skills I can think of lots of really easy fixes

Increase demigod damage vs minions and...

-Take away user movement from minions, so minions can't camp out and chase, It really ruins domination and fortress in pantheon.  What is really insane is creepers and minions 2x ereb with creep death, the the amount of guys there is just way too much esp on small maps like prison

-Take away minions from ereb if he's gone creeps so he can't just keep spawning endless hords, ereb has good PVP skills, stun + teleport anyway.  It makes 2v2 in pantheon unbalanced because minions just take way too long to die.

-Make minions always have to stay within range of caster.

-Make Torch Fire nova tosses all minions, or frost nova + bliz = instant shatter and and/or spells do 2x damage vs minions, this would do a lot to rebalance pantheon.  Either that or limit the number of minions.  Every game in pantheon = ereb + ereb or ereb + oak almost it's insane.

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Forts are definitely too weak against minions, but you can't balance the abilities around that. They need to just rethink fortress mode a bit.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

They need to just rethink fortress mode a bit.
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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 25
Yeah, it's easy to get lots of minions because you only need to invest in a few skill points.

It's hard to get "good" minions without investing lots of skills and money.
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How good do your minions need to be when you can re-create them so quick?  All you need is an item or two with +minion damage.  If it took 3-4 creep waves for Ereb to generate his minions, things would be a bit more balanced.  As it is right now, Erebus can go to full minions in a single large creep wave.

 

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

As it is right now, Erebus can go to full minions in a single large creep wave.
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Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting HorseStrangler, reply 26
Forts are definitely too weak against minions, but you can't balance the abilities around that. They need to just rethink fortress mode a bit.
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Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Melric, reply 28

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 25Yeah, it's easy to get lots of minions because you only need to invest in a few skill points.

It's hard to get "good" minions without investing lots of skills and money.
How good do your minions need to be when you can re-create them so quick?  All you need is an item or two with +minion damage.  If it took 3-4 creep waves for Ereb to generate his minions, things would be a bit more balanced.  As it is right now, Erebus can go to full minions in a single large creep wave.

 
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If it took 3 or 4 creep waves than the build wouldn't be valiable, all a ub would have to doe is pressure a erebus and he would neever get minions, or keep them.

Reply #32 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 25


eg: I would love to see someone play a Queen, Sedna, or Oak and invest in nothing but minion skills and items. I don't think they would be very dangerous at all.
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Am I reading this right? Both sedna, oak, and qot can be played without their minions. Or do you mean their idols? If that is the case than I agree.

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

How about this? Don't play Pantheon. Pantheon is for losers. Step up to the plate and play custom games.

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 33
How about this? Don't play Pantheon. Pantheon is for losers. Step up to the plate and play custom games.
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Really I thought pantheo were for the elite!

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Reply #35 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 33
How about this? Don't play Pantheon. Pantheon is for losers. Step up to the plate and play custom games.
End of wrastler118's quote

Well if you don't have and partners on and are getting stomped by all pre-mades pantheon is a good choice at least to get a random teammate.  But then their are some people who bring their pre-made into pantheon

Reply #36 from Demigod Forums Top

Pantheon is just plain dumb. I'd much rather have control over who is on my team, rather than getting stuck with some noob. Custom games are the only way to go now. Lose Pantheon altogether, I say.

Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting synnworld, reply 30

There the discussion has been killed.
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Nonsense same thing happens in domination.

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 36
Pantheon is just plain dumb. I'd much rather have control over who is on my team, rather than getting stuck with some noob. Custom games are the only way to go now. Lose Pantheon altogether, I say.
End of wrastler118's quote

Pantheon highlights the imbalances well, its not pantheon that sucks, all pantheon is ladder with automatcch.  the whole assasins vs generals goes to show u how imbalanced the game is compared to something like Dota or heroes of newerth.

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 33
How about this? Don't play Pantheon. Pantheon is for losers. Step up to the plate and play custom games.
End of wrastler118's quote

 

I could just as easily say you lack the skill to play without a pre-selected teammate and thus you can't compete in Pantheon.  That is of coarse a flamebaiting, bs argument, just like yours.  ^_^

 

This whole thread is off.  The problem is not the minions.  The problem is that Generals are the equal of Assassins even without minions.  They are simply assassins with pets.

Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Techubus, reply 39


 This whole thread is off.  The problem is not the minions.  The problem is that Generals are the equal of Assassins even without minions.  They are simply assassins with pets.
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Yea like I haven't said that plenty of times already.

Reply #42 from Demigod Forums Top

maybe I`m gonna be a little offtopic with my question but shade some light  about why the heck mininons priests when they are STUNNED can heal generals? is this a game bug , a gameplay mechanic. And generals receive gold and xp when their mininons kill creeps?

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

HAHAHHAHAHA. NIZ just stfu, Dota/HoN isnt even close to balanced.

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

Generals don't receive XP, if their minions are killling creeps and the general is not nearby (same with rook's towers)

Reply #45 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Bier_Kanonier, reply 44
Generals don't receive XP, if their minions are killling creeps and the general is not nearby (same with rook's towers)
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But if the general is near them he gets xp and money?  and why the heck mininons priests when they are STUNNED can heal generals?

Reply #46 from Demigod Forums Top

If rook's towers kill an enemy demigod, does he get experience?

Reply #47 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Splitshadow, reply 46
If rook's towers kill an enemy demigod, does he get experience?
End of Splitshadow's quote

if the rook is not there, he only gets the gold

Reply #48 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting pizdosu_belit, reply 45




But if the general is near them he gets xp and money?  and why the heck mininons priests when they are STUNNED can heal generals?
End of pizdosu_belit's quote

Yes, same as a teammate kills creeps and u are near, but from teammate kills you will get only half of the exp-points and the other half your teammate