Is Queen of Thorns the weakest Demigod?

Well it is hard to say if she acctually is the weakest Demigod, I personally don't think so, but she definetely need a little buff. You should look out for lifekatana's build, he said he would post it sometime. It is the best I've seen.

No she is not the weakest. And yes your doing it wrong. You shouldn't be fighting latelategame with queen, the citadel should be destroyed by your spikes when you got giants.

Well, maybe. But then you are saying the QoT is weak late game. That late game she is not up to par with the other Demigods. That was my question. Thanks.

I remember playing agains regulus with high Regeneration Armor. I saw my Mana and HP going down, while he just stood there shooting at me. That is when I realised that the QoT has a little "punch" and no burst damage.

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you should be ending games before level 10, and if you going into late games you should be outliving other demigods. HOu lalck mulch yet have level 4 shamblers which is a big mistake seeing their mana cost.

I don't get it. I just don't see Stardock (or GPG) saying "Well, with QoT you have 20 levels but you must win until level 10 or you're dead". If this is the reality, then QoT is not balanced right and I must ask myself, which demigod is best for what level? And if I'm over that level, then I'll lose, slowly but surely.

Yes I didn't get Mulch. Why? This brings me to the topic of micromanagement.Let me see, I have 4 shamblers, 2 priests, I must constantly switch between Open/Close, I must watch my HP and the enemies HP. I should mulch the Shambler with the lowest HP to get 750 HP. But do you really have the overview in a late game battle over all the points I mentioned? If yes, then great! The Queen should then absolutely own. But compare the microing of the QoT with the microing of the Beast, or Regulus for example.

I think the level of effort which one has to invest unto playing the QoT is way too high, compared to the level of effort required by playing other Demigods. And if a player can do all this, then he should rule the battlefield.

Mulching should be automated somehow. Or at least, give me some UI where I can monitor the HP of my minions and Mulch by clicking on the HP bar of that Shambler. Thank you to the modders who implemented the HP dots. This really helps but it's not enough.

Do you have any idea who you just tried to explain QoT to? First off I never once said queen of thorns was balanced; she is one of the mose unbalanced if not then is the most un balanced demigod in the entire game. Her open form has no survivability, and her closed for lack the power to get th kill. If you don't want to micromanage then don't play queen of thorns because that is the best way of using QoT. QoT greatest strength is bramble shield and mulch to survive conflicts, and going into open form causes her to lose thus survivability. QoT is a complex demigod unlike LE or UB are are easy to jump into and play, and it is as simple as that. If you aren't willing to put forth the effort to work at her than don't use her at all.

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None of what I wrote was directed toward you personally. No, I have no idea who you are.

Well, I am willing to put effort into the QoT, but the output should be rewarded more than it is now.

Anyway, I just saw there's a bigger thread for the QoT so I'll leave it to that one.

One; ha if you look around this isn't new there are many.

She is the weakest, tied with reg.

Although she can do insane damage with ground spike effect and minions to both DGs and structures, it doesn't scale well late game vs DGs.

She also doesn't have an interrupt, so there is nothing to stop an enemy from using long cast time items in battle against her. This is probably her biggest weakness.

Regulus is better than QoT if they are used by players of the same skill.

Damage > healing, just ask sedna.

AoE slowing mines go BOOM! and all of a sudden a 3v3 fight shifts towards one side. Regulus is a great asset in team fights, even late game, whereas the queen's shield is just kind of ... meh, thanks I guess.

Sedna's healing is so much better than QoT's shield and mulch. Mainly because heal can actually help teammates.

Wait who was talking about healing teammates? They better buy some potions or blood soaked wand.

If you still care synn is one of about 4 people who specialize in qot and are active on the boards

Queen is bad latelategame, which is the stage you're talking about. However that stage is ludicriously bad balanced and it's not only queen thats suffering, if your name is not rook, UB, or Oak you're screwed. BUT while you can't beat them 1vs1, you can just go for the softer target: the citadel. Get lots of potions/defensive items minions, and some damage and groundspike that citadel. In 40 secs you should be able to down it.

P.S. Yes we need an ui for mulching!

Yep. Spikes IV increases damage done by 250%. Queen can compete 1v1 with other demigods assuming she is in a creep lane. Pushing the middle lane in cata with creeps can win the game in a few waves. Oak can do this as well with Surge but not quite to the same effect.

QoT is rather difficult to play, and you need good teamates using the stronger demigods to do well.

One thing that is hard with her, a having a  viable build depends on your allies and enemies more than any other demigod IMO.  In other words, as you look around the game lobby you need to decide if you can even play her... and if so, you have to decide how you're going to play her.  Just having one cookie cutter build for the chick ain't gonna cut it.

Even when I see someone playing Queen with a decent build, sometimes they don't play it right.  If you're popping out shamblers that a BotS TB is toasting, you're wasting mana and you're not gonna be able to stick around and help the cause.  If you're using groundspikes early game and a tower doesn't go down because of it, or an enemy dg doesn't need to head back to the crystal cause of the beating it caused him to take... well good luck in the game cause you shoulda been saving that mana for shields to keep you, your minions, and your allies in play.  She's all about attrition and if you're not the patient sort, don't play her.

And... no matter how many items you buy, you're not going to be some uber ganking machine so don't even try.  You should be the main citadel bitch because with a minimum of semi-cheap items you can stay alive, efficiently farm lanes, and support your teamates if you play her right.

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I stand in awe of your oratory power. Well played, Lord-Orion, well played.

The thing is QoT is not weak but she cant kill a demigod alone...she will survive and push back the ennemies to his/her citadel. But in melee, like a fight 3 vs 3 she will really help his/her teammate to survive and maybe win the battle.

In a 3v3, QoT is great help because of AoE armor debuff, but she is neither extremely powerful in that scenario, nor unique.

The word you're looking for is monstrous. Not unique? Sure bite does it for a few seconds but it's not an AOE and it's way weaker and lower duration. It usually can't push armor in the negative which is why spikes are made of win.