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The 2nd Demigod Community Tournament - Rules and Registration

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The 2nd Demigod Community Tournament - Rules and Registration

Pacov's Last Stand

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Welcome to the 2nd Demigod community tournament (Pacov's Last Stand) - rules and registration thread!   

UPDATE 1:  The scheduling thread has been opened.  Please head over there and post when you are available to play:  http://forums.impulsedriven.com/399006

UPDATE 2:  A new version of uberfix is available AND is required for the tournament.  Please see here and download/install:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399037

UPDATE 3:  The RESULTS thread has been opened.  Please head over there to track your wins/losses/replays:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399047

Update 4:  Registration is now closed.  Alternates are still allowed, but no new teams will be allowed to register at this point.

Update 5:  Added ventrilo (voice chat) server information for those of you that would like to use voice chat.  It also helps in finding people that are ready to play their matches!

Update 6:  The replay commentaries/discussions thread has been opened:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399150.  Check this thread out for news on live streaming events during the tournament along with commentaries and video for some of the games in this tournament!

This thread will cover all of the relevant rules and registration information.  Please see below for all of the details.

The tournament began on 10/16/2010.  Please be aware that this tournament will not begin and end on 10/16/2010.  It will actually take several weeks to complete. 

Background 

In April 2010, we started our first community demigod tournament.  The tournament was 2v2 and certain demigod selections were restricted.  The tourney carried a crash prize donated by people in the community and was won by the two man team of zen_god and King_of_thorns.  For more details on that tourney, read up here: (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/380837). 

Tournament Format

  • The tournament will be played as a 3v3 round robin tournament.  Round robin simply means that there is no elimination outside of disqualification.  Your team will play each and every team.  
  • Each match in the tournament will consist of 3 total games. 
  • We will track every win and loss.  The team with the most wins is the winner of the round robin portion of our tournament.
  • After the round robin has concluded, the top 4 teams will battle it out elimination style in the best 2 out of 3 games. 

Tournament Rules

  • All matches will be played on cataract with default settings (the only exceptions being AI HP on Very High and AI Gold/XP on low). 
  • Each team will play 1 round on the light side, then 1 round on the dark side.  In the 3rd round, if each team has 1 win, the team that had the fastest win in game 1 or 2 gets to pick the side they want to be on.  If one team already has 2 wins, the team with no wins gets to pick the side they want to be on (keep in mind the following rule). 
  • The team that is on the dark side must pick their characters and ready up first.  Then the team on the light side gets to pick and the dark side does not have a chance to adjust their characters.
  • Players using oak may not use spirits to perform a citadel rush.  Any player doing this will have their entire team disqualified for that game giving a win to the opposing team. If you don't know what this terminology means, odds are you aren't citadel rushing with spirits. 
  • Players MUST form their own teams
  • One player from each game must report their stats in.  We will open up a tournament stat tracking thread after the tournament begins. 
  • To track your wins, you must do the following - post the replay at gamereplays.org.  If you have issues with gamereplays, upload the file to rapid share and provide us with a link.  One player from the winning team should do this for each and every match. 
  • Each team must complete a minimum of 2 matches (6 games) per week.  If there are extenuating circumstances, then the decision making panel will review them.  Failure to complete 2 matches per week will result in a disqualification for your team. 
  • ALL teams are required to use the version of the uberfix mod here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399037

Alternates

  • Each team is allowed to have exactly 1 alternate
  • The alternate must not be participating in the tournament (either directly registered for the tournament or on a duplicate account). If it is discovered that the alternate is a player that is already in the tournament, but using a different account, all of those matches will be forfeited.
  • The same alternate cannot be used by multiple teams
  • If a team wins a cash prize with an alternate on their team, that team must determine how they will handle the prize money.  The decision making panel has nothing to do with how you choose to split up the money.

Prize 

There will be a cash prize > $600.  Jongalt will be handling the collection of the money for this tournament.  We are discussing the prize money in this linked thread:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/398009.  We appreciate any contributions to the prize.  YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY TO PLAY IN THIS TOURNEY. 

Here is how we will be splitting the winnings from the pot:

  • 10% goes to the team that wins the round robin
  • 50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs
  • 25% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs
  • 15% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs
  • Participation raffle - 1 player from a team that has completed all of their games in the tournament will be entered into a random drawing after the tournament ends.  That player will receive a prize of $30 as incentive for finishing the tournament.  This money will be taken from the total cash pot before any other money is distributed by percentage.  Any player that has won a cash prize is NOT eligible for the participation raffle.

Demigod Selection

Each 3 man team must use the following formula to make their Demigod character selections based on a 7 point maximum.  Be aware that no duplicate demigods are permitted on the same team.  This means you cannot choose random.

  • Demon Assassin/Regulus - 1 point
  • Oculus/Queen of Thorns/Senda/Torch Bearer - 2 points
  • Lord Erebus/Oak/Rook/Unclean Beast - 3 points

Tournament Time Zone

The official time zone of the tournament is set for EST US time.  Players that are outside of that timezone are certainly welcome to play.  However, if there are significant scheduling difficulties due to players unable meet at the same time, the team furthest outside of the EST zone will most likely be disqualified or forfeit that match.  This rule does not excuse folks in the EST zone from any responsibility.  All parties in this tournament should endeavor to schedule their matches with other teams and try to be as flexible as possible. 

Decision Making Panel

This tournament will be governed by a decision making panel consisting of pacov, McShane, hedgie with Jongalt as an alternate.  The panel's purpose is as follows:

  • Review any scheduling issues and making the final decisions with regards to disqualification. 
  • Reviewing replays as required (crashes and desyncs)
  • Resolving any disputes that arise

The panel's decision on all matters will be the final word for this tournament. And last, the members of the decision making panel will not make any decisions on the games they are playing in.  We didn't have a panel in place for the first tournament and that was a mistake. 

How will we handle crashes

If there is a game crash, the players involved in that match should see if they can come to a consensus on the probable outcome of the match.  If there is no clear winner, the 2 teams should replay the match using the exact same demigods and sides (light/dark).  If there was a clear winner at that point in the game, then that team should be awarded the win.  If the 2 teams disagree on the outcome, then the decision making panel will review the replay of the match and render a decision.  Be aware that the decision making panel must agree that a specific team was going to win or the results will be thrown out and the match redone.  Please be thoughtful if you want the panel to review a match. 

How we will handle invalid game states

The lastgamereplay file is still created in the event of an invalid game state, so it is still possible to review the results of a match.  In the event of an invalid game state, players should attempt to resolve the issue exactly the same way as game crashes.  If you believe foul play occurred, submit the replay along with any screen shots, etc, as evidence and the decision making panel will review.  If there is a CLEAR consensus that a team is willingly triggering invalid game states, that team will be disqualified after a thorough review of the facts and will no longer be able to participate in the tournament.  If your game does crash, it might be advisable to take a screen shot of the crash as proof.  Be aware that we know invalid game states can occur without any sort of foul play, so please be mindful when submitting requests for review.

Current Teams:

  1. Soccermom, OMG_Zex, pacov
  2. Orcun, McShane, Defender
  3. beastmode, generalG, stiffyG
  4. IamKira, Mith, Zen_God
  5. bad daddy/chiefy/trousersnake
  6. jongalt/OMG_nomilarac/thundercles
  7. rwcupcrazy/pwnage_69/nojokes
  8. Iz_, Darz4, Darkliath
  9. Anneliese_the_Beserk/Udo_Juergins/Don_Doen
  10. Eltimes/Lols_SeaWolf/DreamCatcher
  11. OMG_jona__/4nana/kalel
  12. Nacelle, VulturePwns, LoCoJoK3R
  13. RobertMunch/FC-FuneralPortrait/DeadDemi
  14. Commando51, Rezzan, and T-Schert
  15. arkANG3L, swordguyj, and Firefromthesky
  16. brasher01/brokenstrong/beckad1(prozombe)
  17. Maxsteel32/Sebacoyl/Stilr
  18. Mortora/Nate_the_Great1992/SD_Zebrafox
  19. Bartleby/aberrator/nnnils\
  20. tsk-mandingo/ruiprsg_/kobzos

Registered Alternates:

Please be aware that other players are elligible to be an alternate based on the rules outlined in the alternates section.  I've simply left this list here so teams will know at least a few of the players that might be available as alternates. 

  1. busdude
  2. doggu
  3. gl-Spectre
  4. johnkout7
  5. jorune2112
  6. Kiamori
  7. OmicronLyrae
  8. Ouch-That-Hurts
  9. Renfri
  10. Rocchinho
  11. Taharos
  12. volen20

For any of you that would like to use it, we have a public ventrilo (voice chat) server that you are welcome to use for the tournament.  Even if you don't have a microphone, if only 1 person on your team does, it can be very useful to use voice chat (at least 11 of the registered teams will be using voice chat.  Why not you too?

Here's all of the info you need to get started:

Here is where you can download the client (its free): http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php

Here are instructions on how to use ventrilo to connect to a server:  http://www.ventrilo.com/setup.php

And here's the needed server info:

Server Name:  Lagwar's Ventrilo Server
Hostname:  oxygen.typefrag.com
Port: 50216

I have created some password protected channels for those of you that would like to use the server.  Scroll down until you see channel Oh My Demigod.  You will then see tournament channel 1/2/3.  The password for these channels are demigod.  Let me know if you have any questions. 

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Reply #476 from Demigod Forums Top

Gentlemen,

First off, i thought we voted to do a full round robin tournament instead of a round robin to a bracket system.  With that in mind my suggestion is to have the playoffs as round robin as well. 

Playoff Suggestion 1

Each team of the top 4 plays each other for an additional 3 games.  A tie would result in a tie breaker.

Playoff Suggestion 2

If the above isn't acceptable then basically hedgies suggestion, which is any standard tournament: (each game consisting of 3 matches)

Game 1:  Team 1 versus Team 4

Game 2:  Team 2 versus Team 3

Game 3:  Loser of game 1 versus Loser of Game 2

Game 4:  Winner of Game 1 versus Winner of Game 2

 

 

Pot Split
There should absolutely be a percentage of the pot to go to the 3rd place team to make coming in 3rd place worthy of fighting for.

The anticipated pot is currently $700 so I will use this as a basis for my suggested break downs:

Pot Split 1

$90 goes to the team that wins the round robin

50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($305 for the team, $101.66 ea.)

30% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($183 for the team, $61 ea)

20% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs ($122 for the team,  $40.66 ea.)

 

Pot Split 2

10% goes to the team that wins the round robin ($70)

50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($315 for the team, $105 ea.)

25% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($157.5 for the team, $52.5 ea)

15% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs ($94.5 for the team,  $31.50 ea.)

 

Pot Split 3

$90 goes to the team that wins the round robin

55% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($335.5 for the team, $111.83 ea.)

30% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($183 for the team, $61 ea)

15% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs ($91.5 for the team,  $30.50 ea.)

 

Pot Split 4

10% goes to the team that wins the round robin ($70)

50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($315 for the team, $105 ea.)

40% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($252 for the team, $84 ea)

 

 

 

 

Does anyone else have any other suggestions?  Keep in mind that the winner of the initial round robin will definitely be one of the 4 winners of the playoffs. 

 

 

Please cast your vote or provide a suggestion in regards to the playoff type so we can get a feel for what people want.  If you have pledged to donate please cast your vote for the pot split or provide a suggestion (anyone should feel free to provide suggestions for the pot split)

 

Currently my votes are

Playoff Suggestion 1

Pot Split 1

 

Reply #477 from Demigod Forums Top

I vote for elimination in the best of 4, so we don't have that many games and the team being the best wins and not the team with the most points wins. And I think by then it will be clear who the 2 top teams will be, that round robin style in the best of 4 would be redundant.

As for the prize I think 3rd place doesn't need a price with currently 10 teams and a relatively low price that is split among so many players. 

 

vote concerning best of 4.: KO system best of 3 or 5 games

vote concerning prize: 1st 2nd place and for the team with the most points. no money for third.

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Reply #478 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-Zen_God, reply 480
I vote for elimination in the best of 4, so we don't have that many games and the team being the best wins and not the team with the most points wins. And I think by then it will be clear who the 2 top teams will be, that round robin style in the best of 4 would be redundant.

As for the prize I think 3rd place doesn't need a price with currently 10 teams and a relatively low price that is split among so many players. 

 

vote concerning best of 4.: KO system best of 3 or 5 games

vote concerning prize: 1st 2nd place and for the team with the most points. no money for third.
End of GM-Zen_God's quote

I agree no money for 3rd.

Reply #479 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting oO-DreamCatcheR-Oo, reply 477
register our team plz:

Eltimes
Lols_SeaWolf
DreamCatcher
End of oO-DreamCatcheR-Oo's quote

Great - I'm adding your team now.

Reply #480 from Demigod Forums Top

note - I updated the OP.  In working with Stardock, we're going to adopt some specific dates to coincide with their promotion.  Registration will stay open until 10/15/2010 11:59PM EST.  The tournament will officially start on 10/16/2010.  So, the bad news is we have to wait a little longer to start, but the good news is we have more times to bottom out things as needed. 

Reply #481 from Demigod Forums Top

Pot Split 5

5% goes to the team that wins the round robin

5% goes to the winner of the playoffs

5% goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs

85% goes to my team

Reply #482 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 483
note - I updated the OP.  In working with Stardock, we're going to adopt some specific dates to coincide with their promotion.  Registration will stay open until 10/15/2010 11:59PM EST.  The tournament will officially start on 10/16/2010.  So, the bad news is we have to wait a little longer to start, but the good news is we have more times to bottom out things as needed. 
End of OMG_pacov's quote

honestly I don't think there is bad news.

Reply #483 from Demigod Forums Top

I don't either, we're getting more and more teams/players. 

 

Reply #484 from Demigod Forums Top

let's keep the pot split discussion going. 

The main thing I'm still focused on is that I believe the round robin champs should get a flat %, and I think 20% is a fair number.  If we have $700 total, then $140 would be split 3 ways - $46 or so a person.  And even that number seems lousy. 

Reply #485 from Demigod Forums Top

While I am not a gambler i am willing to wager @ 5 to 1 odds on this prediction:

The team that wins the round robin will be in one of the money winning slot of the playoffs. 

So $46 plus (first, second, third) place winnings has a compound effect as opposed to just a standalone number.

also, if the top 3 places win money then that only leaves 1 team out of the top 4 that doesnt win money from the playoffs.

 

I can't stress enough how important that I think a 3rd place playoff winner should earn some cash.  This will make game 3 of the playoffs very exciting and worth it.  If there isn't a 3rd place then why bother having 4 teams duke it out at the end?  why not just take the top 2 or 3?  There are a lot of great players that are already teamed, and great players who aren't on a team.  My next comment isn't a slight against those of us who aren't favored.  So I will go on and dare to say, that there are 2 teams that are currently formed that are heavily favored for places 1 & 2 and a very strong contender for 3rd place: zen/mith/kira (who are very strong players).  I think a lot of the teams will most likely be fighting for the 3rd place spot. 

Certainly upsets can happen, but the purpose of the round robin and best of (3 or 5) games for the playoffs minimizes the impact of those upsets. 

j

Reply #486 from Demigod Forums Top

well, we have 10 teams in the tournament so far I don't think the one placing 3rd need to win money. My major reasons are:

1. I rather win nothing than lousy 46$ which i will be contributing 10 of my own lol. I rather grant the first two winnings teams a bigger price pool for all their hard efforts.

2. There is a very low amount of teams, I could understand maybe if there were 32 or 64 teams to give the 3rd place price money.

3rd. the prize pool is relatively low, in which the effort of getting the big prize is not as high.

 

if the total prize pool would reach close to 2000 US dollars I would change my mind and give the third place a %.

Reply #487 from Demigod Forums Top

I can't stress enough how important that I think a 3rd place playoff winner should earn some cash.  This will make game 3 of the playoffs very exciting and worth it.  If there isn't a 3rd place then why bother having 4 teams duke it out at the end?  why not just take the top 2 or 3?  There are a lot of great players that are already teamed, and great players who aren't on a team.  My next comment isn't a slight against those of us who aren't favored.  So I will go on and dare to say, that there are 2 teams that are currently formed that are heavily favored for places 1 & 2 and a very strong contender for 3rd place: zen/mith/kira (who are very strong players).  I think a lot of the teams will most likely be fighting for the 3rd place spot. 

Certainly upsets can happen, but the purpose of the round robin and best of (3 or 5) games for the playoffs minimizes the impact of those upsets.

End of quote

2nd. I think that 3rd place having a % of the cut, even if it is "only" 10%, is cruicial. Otherwise there is no point having a "little final", nor is there a point in even having the little end-bracket. You should just give it out to the winners of the round robin. Another reasons are there may be teams and players out there that might think that getting 1st or 2nd is out of the question, but third is possible. The incentive for money is a big deal. We have a lot of cash to play with it, here, don't throw it all onto 2 guys, that's no fun!

Another point, is I am not fond of having 1st place geta % cut that is in excess of 50%, if that does not include the round robin. The reason is because it is safe to assume that the team who wins the round robin part has a good chance to win the entire tourney. If you remove the 3rd place scoring, and give 2nd place, say 30% of the cuts, that means that 1st place will get 70% of the cut. That's a lot of cash, and a good amount of the teams (say, half?) probably no they will have no chance in seeing it.

Round Robin Winner - 20%

First Place - 40%  - If RR winner wins this --> 60%

Second Place - 30% - If RR winner wins this --> 50%

Third Place - 10% - If RR winner wins this --> 30%

 

Is another way to divide it up. Round Robin has a pretty strong incentive (at least $40 per player). In fact, in some ways it makes Round Robin stronger. If you were second-seeded in the RR, but you manage to win the final bracket, then you would actually earn less than the team who won the RR (40% versus 50%). You can debate whether this is a good thing, or a bad thing, but it certainly puts a heavy emphasis on the RR and repeatably doing well day-by-day rather than in a single-elimination tourney.

Reply #489 from Demigod Forums Top

Notice we're at 10 teams, and there are several good old-time players running around looking for teams.

I'd anticipate at least 12 teams for the tourney. 25% of the teams making money isn't bad, and as Jon said, I'd bet 5:1 that the winner of the RR component will be 1st or 2nd in the tourney part.

Reply #490 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 492
Notice we're at 10 teams, and there are several good old-time players running around looking for teams.

I'd anticipate at least 12 teams for the tourney. 25% of the teams making money isn't bad, and as Jon said, I'd bet 5:1 that the winner of the RR component will be 1st or 2nd in the tourney part.
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote

 

How much will you bet? Are you willing to add it to the pool? :)

Reply #491 from Demigod Forums Top

5:1 means that I make money if I'm right. And I won't and 10000 times 0 is still 0 (:

Reply #492 from Demigod Forums Top

40% for first place is ridiculous now because there is no guarantee that first will win the 20% for round robin points. I could get talked into something like that, but please stop cutting down the first place.

50% first, 25% 2nd, 15% 3rd and 10 % for round robin. you still have the 60% in case the first place wins both.

Reply #493 from Demigod Forums Top

Since he is the oldest and wisest of OGT (Old Guys Team) I fully support Jongalts opinion on all prize related issues.

 

I apologize if the following issue has already been discussed, but I couldn't find it in the OP.  If a team manages to play a few games but for whatever reason cannot continue in the tourney, I'm assuming that whomever beat them does not receive any points for it?  There might be quite a few people who will have trouble scheduling games and some folks might get frustrated with the heavy competition and disband.

This may seem obvious, but in my experience when it comes to anything involving any amount of money, its good to have everything covered beforehand.

Reply #494 from Demigod Forums Top

Haha i might be the oldest, but wisest is certainly in question 8C

I agree Thunder, Orcun raised that issue up a day or two ago, and that was a solution i proposed shortly thereafter.  I couldn't think of another solution that would be fair.

j

Reply #495 from Demigod Forums Top

Zen, does that mean you are voting for Pot Split 2 in the above post?

Reply #496 from Demigod Forums Top

I vote for playoff suggestion 2 and i really don't mind at all about how the pot is split. 

Reply #498 from Demigod Forums Top

I vote option 1, playoffs betweeen first 4 teams, 1v4 and 2v3, then final match and match for the 3rd place.

Also, there HAS to be some kind of prize for the 3rd place winner team, even if it's only a 5% of the total pot or something. I don't mind how the pot is split either, 50-30-20% sounds good though.

When a team has clearly abandoned the tourney (and this will sadly happen for sure) due to whatever reason, i agree the best solution will be to just forfeit any points won by any team against the teams that abandon the tourney.

So yeah, i as well pretty much support what wise old man Jong says :thumbsup:  

Reply #499 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_Jongalt26, reply 498
Zen, does that mean you are voting for Pot Split 2 in the above post?
End of OMG_Jongalt26's quote

yes