Agree

bah - I've never been all that impressed with rin's da.  Stand HW farm/hope to get gank build.  Nothing wrong with it, but its simple to counter... especially if you are smart enough not to drag a game out to level 15.  That said, the Korean's were pretty freakin solid on our last 2v2 tourney.  Good stuff.

So, can anyone possibly win a 3v3 against good players using oak/rook/ub with da/reg/tb?  Therein lies the challenge.  Anyway, that said, has anyone had any stellar games recently that were reasonably challenging?  It's been awhile since I've had a gg.  And by that, I mean evenly matched teams with pros fighting it out. 

Just my opinion, but to me Sedna + da + reg is even worse than tb+ da + reg. Maybe, because of bad Sednas, but Sedna can only heal and do some damage + interrupt, while tb in group fights deals more damage than Sedna heals + is better against troops. Once giants are out - Sedna is useless, while tb with reg push. Enemy team with only reg pushing and da + Sedna being pushed by creeps... Pretty much suffer a lot... Even though monks help a bit, early game, but that's all...

As for Erebus + Oak + QoT. I actually cannot remember a single match (trust me, I played a lot), where Erebus went hybrid (bite + minions + stun + swarm + mist (to heal minions and avoid death)), Oak (spirits, surge, penitence, low level shield), QoT (ground spikes, spike wave, shamblers, low shield) -> pretty much everything to boost minions. Well that's probably, because I don't play any of those demigods, but anyway. In 3v3, how much damage would the target with bite, ground spikes, penitence and all minions with surge on him get? Even though someone like tb (freeze), erebus (mass charm), can counter this minion attack, but would it be deadly? Or just so so? (one of my not answered demigod questions)

As for great matches. I had great 3v3 some night. Cannot remember much, because I was sleepy, but I was in team with 1Nana (he probably didn't die at all) and some other person... I was dying a lot. Maybe 10 times (that teammate asked me to die less, but I, of course, didn't listen). Enemies weren't dying at least a lot. So my stats were something like ~0-1 kills ~9-10 deaths. But later enemies (they weren't bad) were trying to finish us faster but became more reckless and died until I had about same kills as deaths And so we pushed until we won. I seriously thought we would lose badly, because of me...

I think it's this one.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1684718/player/130159/

But overall, lately I don't get good matches, because players leave, disconnect, etc. Well maybe I got unlucky...

Well, its difficult to answer really because there are sooo may variables.  How many minions are attacking... how much armor does the dg that is targeted have before he gets hit with the armor reduction, are all the minion targeting, etc.  I'd say late game you'd easily burn through 3-4k hp super fast while the stun is active with all hitting, then 1-2k while the sigil is active, then whatever abilities can be used immediately after that... the only real weakness is that you probably can't keep a sigil from going off here. 

That's why I think it would be fun to try such a combo, anyway... the dmg potential is crazy. 

If the team that is consist of good players also have good coordination with each other, the best combo by far is Rook/Erebus/UB. If coordination is not as good it would be Rook/Oak/Ub.  There is one combo that i particularly like if there is no rook on the opponent team which is renawel Ice TB/ Sedna/ Oak.  This is a very fun combo to play and very hard to counter without a rook. 

For early game kills, Ub, Reg, Oak is a great combo. 

Reg/DA/Erebus is probably the best ganking team but would do bad against a pushing team. 

So yeah, overall nothing beats Rook/Ub/Erebus. 

Zen, i think Koreans are not as efficient in 3v3, because the pushing play doesn't work as well in 3v3 cataract. But when it comes to pushing and flag control/ tower harass i haven't seen anyone better than them over these 2-3 years .

side note: I wish the connection allowed us to have 5v5s, i wonder how balanced DGs would be in a 5v5. I mean for example in 4v4, Reg is definitely tier 1. Would QOT shine in a 5v5? I don't know really, I played over 2k games and only about 10 of them has been very laggy 5v5s.

I've managed to play more than a few 4v4 and 5v5's in the past without terribad lag.  That said, no, QoT does not shine in 5v5.  With so many dgs that can target her, you really can't play exceedingly offense based... and the lower hp does not bode well for her.  It's be fun to try out again, but its just an instant target on her as she has to move in closer to use the spikes, etc. 

I think sedna is most useful at this time for tele to portals silence then lock. No way at all to prevent sedna from locking a flag late game.

kill her dead? 

strongest combo: 7k hp occ 7k hp rook 8k hp ub. don't even need locks

Does this boil down to 1 Rook, 1 UB and a general? I had two Rook, UB, QoT (The_M) fights in the past two days and we won both even after being behind in kills at the start. I also remember a game with a Sedna (Visca) which we won.

LE/DA/Occ is a surprisingly decent combo. You can isolate and immobilize targets to let Occ get the burst on.

Could it stand up to the power combos? No
Oak would also break it up easily since he can pen charm/swap and shield ganked teammates...

But with tourney rules, it would be solid against demigods without interrupts and rook.

do you have the replay saved where you guys raped?

I didn't

Did some calculations and was wondering if my calculations were actually correct and/or viable:

The cooldown cap seems to be at 60% which can be achieved on cataract with both cooldown flags,  magnificent presence 2 and staff of renewal.

In theory it should be able for a team consisting of TB, Sed and UB to stun a single enemy with a maximum time non stunned for 3 seconds while the other 2 enemy demigods would have 1 second of using skills at lvl 10. At lvl 15 a single demigod would not be in stun for a maximum of 2 seconds while the other 2 would not be able to use any skills (assuming that all are in range of frost nova and silence). Stun immunity is 5 seconds afaik, beinning at the time the stun starts.

Favor items: sor for TB and UB, diamond pendant for Sed, both cooldown flags have been captured.

Lvl 10: Grasp and FN cooldown 6 seconds,  silence 7.2 seconds

Start with Nova (2 seconds), second 3 Grasp, second 4 Silence, second 7 nova (in effect at 8), second 10 grasp, second 12 silence, second 14 nova and so on...

The targeted demigod should never be not stunned for more than 3 seconds, while the surrounding demigods should either not be stunned or silenced for more than 1 second (and not able to disrupt the next nova).

Lvl 15: Grasp, FN: 6 seconds, silence  6.45 seconds (round it up to 7)

Nova (3 seconds), second 4 grasp and silence, second 7 nova (in effect at 8, silence wears off), grasp/silence at at 11, nova at 14 (in effect at 15, silence wears off), grasp/silence at 18 and so on.

The targeted (and slowed down) enemy dg would not be stunned for a maximum of 2 seconds, while any defending dg in range of of silence and nova would not be able to use any skills at all (either novaed or silenced). Theoretically this sounds incredibly strong but Im not sure, if my calculations are right or if it is actually viable to pull something like that off (would imply that locking the cooldown flag would be extremely important for the team doing this). And enemy creeps/idols would be completely useless.