Pacov's favorite dg game replays

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I so hate such things... When very difficult to carry teammate, you win, but your teammate doesn't...

The other team eventually adopted a "LET'S KILL SEDNA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" strategy... which is really a "pacov... make sure you have full mana and pack lots and lots of tps" strategy for me.  The best part of my no sigil sedna was how often he'd return at the right time for a kill. After being chased down and nearly killed (without a sigil or HEALERS no less), he'd be right back in there trying to pounce a speed da or ub... he saw me tp in, he'd turn around and give chase... even if he had like 800 hp.

Yummy! No healers, no sigils! That will be my next Sed build, I think. I will save it for Shane games, though... 

You'll notice some quick nonsense at the beginning where I tell my teammate I'm getting clerics only to find out he didn't grab monks

Warning: a manifesto of Pacov hater follows.

You know, I hate to say it, but you communicate way too much. Really. I feel a need to elaborate here a bit. You are a great player. Personally, I think your strategical skills are up there with our Korean friends ppaparin -- and I'm talking strategical, not tactical (and not Tactical), as the latter is no big shakes. However, you chat any remains of sense out of me when we are on the same team. Whenever I play with you, I see the chat window. That's it. No map, no enemy hp, nothing. Objectively, I am not a bad player (especially with Sed), but this effect is amazing. You feel the urge to explain the most basic things at length. I know you mean well, and I know ~80% of DG players suffer from under-communication problems, but seriously... It kind of shuts me down.

Hope I was objective enough. And, of course, that's not to imply poor mesostoned chronically forgot to buy sigils and monks because of your verbosity

Well to each his own taste. I personally like that

I also think that mesostoned was only trolling you  What's better than making Pacov lose by taking some extremely ineffective build. Not always possible to succeed in a loss, but worth a try.

I hope you choose wisely with your replays. Going to check this one out.

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meh you played solid, but against what. swift and boots da with 51 total games UB without general support. Also with a speedy da and a weird sedna on your team, fights are inevitable...

maybe you just have a different taste in replays , but I'm certain you've played a lot more interesting games that you can post

Coming from a new player, I really like the way Pacov communicates. Thats what I need as a learning player. And even if it is "to much", as long as he can do that and still play as awesome as he does, I like it!

Then playing with IN1 which I have done a few times, who is so HOT DAMN FAST its increadible. I dont have to ask for help before he TPs to me. IN1 also commented on my improval which my ego thanks and grows on . Playing with IN1 when I do the right thing, like our games this morning with me as a rook, was exellent. IN1 plays, and SHOULD play with people who have a very good control over everything that happens. I do not have this skill....yet (I hope). A team that simply knows what to do and just need to say, "Left portal" and everyone knows instantly what to do. 2 people TP to protect our portal, 1 person Go steal the enemies one, or something is WOW impressive.

I would say I am an asset in IN1 team when I actually play something well, which seams to be the case for Rook for me. (I play UB and Oak pretty much up untill now).

With Pacov, I can play anything and he "teaches" me during the game. This must take concentration from Pacov but what I have seen, he likes doing so as long as the people he plays with is to his liking I think. Also I get the feeling from Pacov that he is so laid back, that as long as he finds the game fun, he doesnt much care if he wins or looses. That is very simular to me.....though I am working my ass off to get my DAMN % up to people stop kicking me from game wiith the comment "noob".

Oh, And Dark...I cant play with her without she constantly giving me remarks on everything! I owe ALOT of my improvement to Dark for that.

But I do think for the best, effective team, IN1s way is the only way.....

Though, I say it again, I dont mind loosing a 1 hour fight that was fun as hell.

Oh and a note, even if I am, or was one of them, players who dont do normal things like carry a sigil, or EASY things for their Demigod (not talking more then very basic now), like healing for Sedna, Helping to kill with UB etc, even when asked and told so several times.....simply should be avoided. I have run into players like this alot. They dont talk or dont care. My guess this type of player is most of a time a child under 18 years old. Simply avoid them if they time over time again dont listen, or work with the team.

hmm as long as i have another really good person on my team I know, i will let you play in the "no noobs" games. The other day i was going to but you left too fast, so keep joining and maybe we can balance something out so you can keep improving your game

new idea has found me when i watched this replay

Passportal:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/410438

But I do think for the best, effective team, IN1s way is the only way.....

Ugh... You over-rate me madly. I kind of love to sound all self-important, laconic and authoritative during the matches, which doesn't mean I am the boss Since my main is a support DG, I absolutely must be map-aware and port in a lot, in the exact right moment (very different from the exact right moment to port in with the UB, for example): that's why I believe the second best favor for Sedna, during the vast majority of matchups, is AoT (the first is not BotF, no). Maybe you mean I have a very humble % for my real level: well, that's mainly because I gladly play on weaker teams, which I cannot really carry through (not really my fault, more of a given with Sed/QoT, though the former is better in this respect).

There is a lot of good players that don't mind playing with you: try Dreamcatcher, for example. The guy is very skilled, and a really nice person. LordPoekelfleisch (another disproportionately low %) is another nick that springs to mind immediately.

Out of the T1 folks... Don't allow McShane's arrogant forum persona to scare you off, the guy is as patient and correct as they come. A great player that is not afraid to play differently, too. Likewise, I think you can learn a lot from ppapanek (very non-trivial thinking, great Rook), though he will get a bit angry if you screw up. Zen is very nice and easy-going, but I don't think someone else can pull the crap he's doing off (especially with the UB), so don't take his playstyle as a recommendation (a hyper-aggressive egotistic one, though mighty impressive) -- at least, as long as your math is not as good as his and you don't have a dedicated Sedna tailing you 

And yes, you are definitely willing to learn and getting significantly better with Rook. I do think so, it's just not my usual habit to compliment people during the match

Yeah there is more people who accept me . Thanks! Rook is more my style. Not so fast and build a wall somewhere, hehe. Also protect flags. I used to do that as UB..didnt always work so well.

Done a few games as sedna....WOW. Had an UB with me and it didnt seam to be anything to stop that team, hehe. I dont like to play female chars since I sort of like to identify with the Character I am playing. But Sedna was simply to good so Ill deffo try that more.

Sorry... I could stop anytime, if only you asked me to...

Also yeah. IN1 is probably the best support, who plays at the moment, so having him in team gives great advantage if you know how to use that properly

Sorry?...you are teaching me . Sedna 1v1 with you was interesting! Hehe.

lol blood is so much better than AoT for sedna

That's for another thread, but my views on a subject, in a nutshell: Cloak > AoT > BotF. Why?

BotF Sedna is great early game, when she can push off/hold flags. That, and a security mechanism protecting from good Regs. However, mid game+ BotF Sed is pathetic. Not just weak. Pathetic. All you have is your half-assed tank hp pool, and no failure tolerance to speak of. That is, unless you seriously plan to invest in J-Treads -- which will mean you failed in your support role and bought an egotistic item instead of giants. Don't even get me started on Silence 2 -> TP, please. It only works in completely non-laggy games, so it's impractical. 

AoT, aside from being superbly convenient for a support, gives you one more item slot, which can and should be used for WoS. At 1750, it's a cheap longtime investment that gives you much more failure tolerance than that nooby BotF does.

Cloak is (1) a crappy helm, that solves Sed's early-game mana problems; (2) a superb security mechanism, which does not require any investment into speed -- of course, it does not give you a 100% kill-proof warranty (you can still be chased by persistent Erbs and Occs; usually you won't, though), but then nothing does.

Practically: with Cloak I die once per good match, at worst. With AoT/WoS -- a bit more, as it's more lag-dependent (all clickable items are). With BotF -- the mid-late game turns into 'gank the turtle-like Sedna!' and I always require babysitting, which means I've ultimately failed as a support, since I am the one that must help people out, not the other way round. Again, BotF Sedna is a liability and a feeding source mid-late game.

All that said, I always go BotF when I play with people I do not trust or when a good Reg is at loose Hate it, though.

IN1 is probably the best support, who plays at the moment

I'd say it's a tie between me and NastyBlade. Hmm... I'm not talking T1+ universal guys, as they rarely play anything but killers (killer QoT counts :)).

For integrity's sake, 5nana plays a good Sed, but very non-supportive (no Heal until level 9 or so!). Silvius is good as far as personal skill is concerned, too, but I have a big problem with his skill progression and gearing (not getting HW2 ASAP; getting Plenor before any other helm).

imagine a mirror game when 1 team gets blood and the other gets AoT.. i cant imagine that the team with AoT would have any chance to win.. especially sedna with the monk heals..

If we are comparing BotF Sed vs AoT Sed alone, in a vacuum (or in a 1v1), contesting a flag early game, then yes, no doubt, BotF >>> AoE. However, how about we get a bit more practical and say it's a mirror UB/Rook/Sed 3v3, okay? Now, say the game is skilled, and you push us off hp flag more often than we do (though we get the hp flag first, so even that is disputable). Fair enough. However, the moment my UB is in danger or goes after the enemy UB with low hp, I will tp there, and we will score a kill, while more often than not, BotF Sed won't have the luxury to do so (or will have a luxury to do so once early game; the rest will be at expense of having Vlemish in time, Cur1 in time, etc.). Mid to late game the dynamics change so radically in AoT's favor, any comparison would be unfair.

Note: 2v2 dynamics are different, sure enough, but the only favor I've been successful with in 2v2 was Swift, not BotF.

BotF is required in 2v2. 

How are you using Swift Anklet in 2s? Are you on mana side? (If yes then I can understand that because whats-his-name used to do that. That guy was crazy good with 2s Sedna). 

3v3 has more room for Cloak but are you honestly purchasing Currency with Cloak? I just don't see how you can. 

The fact that you guys are making "kill the Sedna" sound to be like a remarkable, innovative idea is rather sad. You always kill the healer. In ever game ever. 

This thread is lol. First, Pacov no offence but how can you put a game like that on display?:)  Feels like a noob bash to me, dont get me wrong i like to play "easy games" time to time but i wudnt be bragging about them lol.

Second, In you need to play more skilled games where  there are no noobs on either team. Ud see how bad your build is and how useless it is. First of a good sedna cant play only a supportive role. And to be able to help in gank situations you need hp. Sure u can heal your teamate by standing nearby but if u dont help and dont attack he is dead anyway.

And why wud you pick amulet if you go for a speed built? I mean wudnt it be enough if u actually bought some scroll in shop? I dont see why you wud have to sacrifice Hp over that. If its not a noob game then your teammates wud know if u can help them with tp or not. And by buying Wos you further sacrifice your mana or hp and thats just stupid. Anyway as i said against noobs pretty much anything wud work but when u play with skilled players you cant just go for a build like that cose they d punish you hard. Thats my opinion

You really should consider muting me if you find the quantity of words distracting.  I really wouldn't take any offense and if that helps you at all in games as my teammate, feel free.  Zen's comment refer to having his balls busted by me.  Your comment is more along the lines of telling you shite that you already know.  And as its apparently throwing you off your A game if I talk too much... and you are the only person that can qualify "too much," it might be best just to do the mute thing.  I'll try to limit my communications in games with you as a teammate, though.  But if that's not adequate to your tastes, just mute me.

I've always been known for not busting anyone's balls if they do something silly... right. Anyway, I rarely ream anyone out nowadays, even my crazy sedna teammate.  The entirety of our communication in game was something to the effect of "I'll cleric, you monk."  And bought cur1 or something... and my teammate saying "I should probably stop getting killed now."  It's not hard to spot folks that are casual players and folks that want to improve their game, so I really wouldn't have bothered to provide tips in this case... I just made note of my teammates equipment and decided to support him as best I could. 

And with fun results.  I really enjoyed the game.  I found it fun.  No - it certainly wasn't the world's greatest matchup, but I found the amount of back and forth entertaining. 

Sadly, nothing all that recent.  Can't remember the last time I had a really solid top player game.  Most games are just balancing based on folks that are available, which is generally what I end up doing lately. 

None taken.  I didn't feel like it was noob bashing (unless you feel like no healer + no sigil sed was a tier 1 player).  Was simply an enjoyable game that was a bit nuts, imo.  Haven't had a very action packed game in some time.   

hedgie - one of the best 2 man teams was erska conti and sakke... and the sed was always always ank.  You are probably right about being on the mana side though. 

naw... I get what you are saying and I understand.  But its the degree that they were pushing sed that I'm referring to... kind of like that "it's a new player, go farm em" sort of mentality.  Didn't matter that it was sed.  All that matter was that they changed their strat to go nuts to get my teammate anytime they could... even if they were quite some distance away.  meso's not new btw, but certainly a casual player

Second, In you need to play more skilled games where  there are no noobs on either team. 

 The very same games you are afraid of? Well, I play them whenever there is one up. For some mysterious reason, I never see you there. Ask nnnils, Zen, ppapa, Shane. 

So, my dear killingspring or whatever you prefer to call yourself now, go back to cheating 1v1 vs noobs. That's what you are good at, after all, no? Don't spoil intelligent discussions by your inane babblings, pretty please.

You really should consider muting me if you find the quantity of words distracting.  

Well, Pacov, there is life, and there is DG. I refuse to mute a mature reasonable person I've learnt to like (it was not an easy process ;)) just because it may undermine the results of game X or Y.

How are you using Swift Anklet in 2s? Are you on mana side? (If yes then I can understand that because whats-his-name used to do that. That guy was crazy good with 2s Sedna).

Well, I'm not crazy good in 2v2 yet, nor will I ever be, I'm afraid, but yes -- mana side it is. 

3v3 has more room for Cloak but are you honestly purchasing Currency with Cloak? I just don't see how you can. 

Hmm, why not? I stay in lane till WR 3 (circa lvl 6-7), then I go and purchase either Banded+Scalemail or Banded+Scaled, depending on my mana usage. You mean I get focused? Yes, I do. But I know when to go back and when to jump back, so I rarely get ganked successfully. Also, I don't lane with squishy TBs (no offense, Thunder), as a rule   For me, it's Rook, Rook, and more Rook.

agree. ppapanek and shane try it from time to time, but i wouldn't say it works great. maybe on bigger maps, or if 4v4s and 5v5s would actually work.

ppapanek makes it work, he does it with oak too. It's very difficult to pull off though.