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Pacov's favorite dg game replays

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Well, zen's got himself a nice thread going over here http://forums.demigodthegame.com/408072/page/3

Figure I'll join in.  I had a game tonight that, perhaps I was just in a good mood, but was quite a bit of fun.  You might want to watch this game just to ask yourself if you'd have been frustrated if you were me.  Then ask yourself if you are on the other team how fugging frustrated you must have been. 

It was a SUPER aggressive game... like the majority of each and EVERY encounter was to the death.  The sedna on my team was interesting to say the least.  No apparent understanding of sigils; no concept of getting healers (and it appeared to be a high level heal sedna no loss).  The other team eventually adopted a "LET'S KILL SEDNA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" strategy... which is really a "pacov... make sure you have full mana and pack lots and lots of tps" strategy for me.  The best part of my no sigil sedna was how often he'd return at the right time for a kill. After being chased down and nearly killed (without a sigil or HEALERS no less), he'd be right back in there trying to pounce a speed da or ub... he saw me tp in, he'd turn around and give chase... even if he had like 800 hp.

Anyway, it was a really crazy game.  You'll notice some quick nonsense at the beginning where I tell my teammate I'm getting clerics only to find out he didn't grab monks, but beyond that... its just an entertaining game of the other team trying to gank over and over and mostly me running in to try to save and then gank myself.  It was nuts... my teammate would be about to die one second and doing silly things... then the next moment, going for a portal when he saw the opportunity.  Its actually a really solid game for me as well... I think I made 1 error in judgment the entire game (and it didn't cost us a thing... not referring to the silliness at the beginning of the game.. that was bad...).

Anyway, watch away if you like.  No mods required for this game.

CheesusCrust Forces of Light Lord Erebus 160 Won
mesoStoned Forces of Light Sedna 0 Lost *
UltraNoob33 Forces of Darkness Demon Assassin 55 Lost
etasan Forces of Darkness Unclean Beast 0 Lost *

 unfortunately, when etatsan quit before the game ended (like less than a minute) he took meso with him, so meso didn't get a win.

Link to the replay:  http://www.box.net/shared/oar44z8hh1peklsdkus8

7/18/2011 -new replay

going to add the 1v1 vs papp I was tricked into (DIE_MINION!!!! YOU AFK BASTARD!!).  Anyway, its 2 tier 1 folks fighting it out - I went reg vs tb, so slight adv to papp on dg selection.  Pretty solid play that gives everyone a nice example of a tb trying to juke mines from a reg (and a reg trying to adjust to stop throwing the mines and pick where I think tb will end up) and a reg trying to compensate for a hybrid tb with 2 interrupts.  Plus the usual reg trap fun.  If you don't play alot of reg, this would be a good game to watch for how I try to set traps... pretty sure I tried to set > 10 in this game.  TBH - I don't completely regret my decision to go early priests... part of me did it because I wanted to end the 1v1 (as it's not my fav game and pro 1v1's can take hours) and the other half of me was using it to distract ppap so he'd try to farm while I whittled down his towers by the portals.  In hindsight, I'd probably have been better off to go cur2 and stall.  I really don't suggest anyone go early (or late priests in a 1v1 unless you are up against someone with no aoe that hasn't picked up natures reck.  I choose to for the reasons above (strategic and suicidal).  ... anyway, here's the replay.  No mods required to view.  Adding this to the OP.

http://www.box.net/shared/f1y9ba44qr96nidjnk57

And just to clarify - the game was meant to be a 2v2 (zen+ppap vs pacov+die_minion).  Die minion was afk and zen agreed to stay at base until minion came back... which he never did... so it became a 1v1. 

And that said, ppap certainly beat me.  Outside of the priest decision, I certainly played my best.  Fun game and well played.  You can even see me still trying to work it out late game with him having giants.  I saw him linger after he got my portal before the tp, so I figured he probably couldn't relock or stop me from retaking.  LOVE seeing players being very strategic and keeping the push on.  Even after he fugged up by staying long enough for me to recap the portal.  Very little lag.  I think I wasn't able to adjust a total of 2 mine throws throughout the game.  And that's pretty good.  Sucks that I couldn't change them, but really... 2 misses because of lag the entire game is not so bad.  Great game.

 

 7/24/20111 - new replay

adding a replay so zen can't complain about my replays being crap anymore:

http://www.box.net/shared/a738r3ttapbdv5njfhhi

This one is me and mcbane vs nils and zen.

Mcshane and I get WAAAAYYY behind on ws and I change up tactics to harass the crap out of their portals (as I know we can't take them in combat).  So, I do my dance and distract the crap out of the them was much as possible.  Was a super fun game.  Ended with me and mcshane holding 3 portals and nils banging away on the citadel with giants, etc. If we had been able to stop 1 more wave of creeps we'd have probably won it.  Super fun game.  Adding to op.  If you want to see a super annoying sedna... watch

7/28/20111 - new replay

well, here we go.  A new replay.  This one is for you folks wondering about gaabriel.  He tore up rin and thunder a wee bit in a 2v2 game tonight. 

gaabriel Forces of Light Regulus 190 Won
CheesusCrust Forces of Light Sedna 120 Won
Thundercles Forces of Darkness Torch Bearer 40 Lost
TSK-Rin Forces of Darkness Queen of Thorns 0 Lost *

He bought cur1 and cur2.  Solid play throughout on his part.  He took HW and stole one wave from me.  Asked him to stop and he was 100% after that first wave.  No complaints.  Got to play lazy never die sedna and relax most of the game.

Anyway, his strat was pretty damn solid.  he was a low HP reg, but had a sigil pretty much 100% of the time after ws2 or 3.  He's fight and get fugged up... then run, getting close to the point of death.  I'd see this and light up my tp to come heal, he'd pop his sigil and his opponent would be forced to run thinkging FUUUUUGGGG.  Sigils are crap value when you only get 1500 or so out of it, but he milked it perfectly.  Folks generally assume there will be a pot to save more etc... but he always went for the good stuff even at a big cost to him.  It paid off.  Could hurt a hell of a lot in other games, but he scored quite a few solid kills using his kite (look at me I'm super low HP reg) and sigil method.

From playing this game, I think gaab is a much better reg than a sed.  Or maybe perhaps he's just much better in 2v2.  He did a great job and I pretty much was along for the ride. 

http://www.box.net/shared/k84drdcdo6x0bf3ktzyx


7/28/20111 - new replay

just had a fun 2v2.  thunder(hybrid tb) + pacov (never die sed (well i did die once :P )) vs zen's erb (he didn't just save for godplate to my chagrin) + ppap (hybrid tb).  My team lost.  I think the good things to watch were zen and ppap being super aggressive and mindful of the map for when to push and be obnoxious. I think I made a pretty solid decision pushing their portal when they were obssessed on trying to grab valor vs thunder.  I think I had a VERY solid strat then anyway.  I had just been "kinda" forced to run the crystal.  I figure they were expecting me to come back to mid and fight, so I immediately ported over to hp and ran to their portal.  They didn't even try to tp to me, so I'm pretty sure thunder put up a good show to keep their attention.  Its difficult in pro games to get sneaky, but I think I pulled that off without them figuring out what I was doing as it was a pretty quick move.

They obsessed early on tearing down the middle towers.  This is a GREAT end game strat as it means you can easily push for portals or valor.  I don't have any major complaints about how my team played.  I wish we'd have gotten giants as I had 2 waves pushing their cit solid at the end.  Giants MIGHT (and it a big might) have made a difference in us killing their cit before they killed ours.  I didn't really get to check thunders money situation out at the end, but I'd wager he was in the same boat as me (had 3800 or so when the game ended).  I figured I needed to keep my kit, but in hindsight, they left me solo their cit for a bit, so I probably could have sold). 

Other thoughts - I love that ppap can be made to obsess about siege archers, etc.  He did a pretty solid job of handling them as I tried to walk them by him, but I, as a rule, just let those fuggers tear down my towers if I have to.  I usually view leveling up and getting flag control as a higher priority than dicking around with the little guys.  That said, I probably should have grabbed natures reck to compensate a bit as it was clear it was going to be archer fun from zen.

I also love and hate this sedna build.  I absolutely hate lacking the dps I get from my fu die sedna build.  I get that I really need to go with live forever sed in 2v2, but so often I'm thinking... wow.. I just pounced for 400 and they have 3k hp... wooo... check me out.  I can silence them now and my teammate only needed to magically do 2600 dmg.  fing low dmg build.  Still... live forever is nice.  But also boring... had a moment where it was me vs zen for like 2-3 minutes i think... him expecting me to run out of mana and run, me knowing I'd never get an adv on him, but there was no reason to run.  Pretty boring, but oh well. 

Here you go if you like:

http://www.box.net/shared/caaebnvjnlcy70rmrujp

 

 

 

demigod
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Reply #126 from Demigod Forums Top

adding a replay so zen can't complain about my replays being crap anymore:

http://www.box.net/shared/a738r3ttapbdv5njfhhi

This one is me and mcbane vs nils and zen.

Mcshane and I get WAAAAYYY behind on ws and I change up tactics to harass the crap out of their portals (as I know we can't take them in combat).  So, I do my dance and distract the crap out of the them was much as possible.  Was a super fun game.  Ended with me and mcshane holding 3 portals and nils banging away on the citadel with giants, etc. If we had been able to stop 1 more wave of creeps we'd have probably won it.  Super fun game.  Adding to op

Reply #127 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 126
(as I know we can't take them in combat).
End of OMG_pacov's quote

We couldn't take them in combat because you wouldn't heal me :omg:  , but other than that minor detail was a good game.  

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Reply #128 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 127

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 126 (as I know we can't take them in combat).
We couldn't take them in combat because you wouldn't heal me  , but other than that minor detail was a good game.  
End of GM-McShane87's quote

once the enemies have their full kit, it's hard for a doggy that needs to feed on kills to overpower them. also you were somehow very underlvled, missed a lot of creep waves?

oh wait that's the rook game, man i was superstoned, i don't think i've played that aggressive as a rook before. and with nnnils perfect bishop micro i could withstand a full minion oak that had pent. Haven't seen that occur ever :) i basically kited oak and kept healing up with vial and bishop, and my towers would eventually take out the spirits.

we were really scared to death of how we're going to handle the spirit oak with ring of divine might

Reply #129 from Demigod Forums Top

Yea you were brutal to start that game, took a while before I could get anything going.  I eventually started getting some kills, but we blew a lot of fights because I was literally healed twice that game, and for 600 hp each time.  Lol I asked pacov about it and he said he was more worried about himself and that he was specing damage, reminded me of 5Nana's Sedna.  I'm no Sedna expert but I know there's a few different things you can do with her to be effective, and none of them involve not levelling heal.  

Reply #130 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 129
Yea you were brutal to start that game, took a while before I could get anything going.  I eventually started getting some kills, but we blew a lot of fights because I was literally healed twice that game, and for 600 hp each time.  Lol I asked pacov about it and he said he was more worried about himself and that he was specing damage, reminded me of 5Nana's Sedna.  I'm no Sedna expert but I know there's a few different things you can do with her to be effective, and none of them involve not levelling heal.  
End of GM-McShane87's quote
i got punished a lot though :D yeah full heal sed could have kept you going rambo with the spirits, since he cannot really go into range

(also i felt invincible:P I do that a lot with rook xD )

Reply #131 from Demigod Forums Top

Lol I asked pacov about it and he said he was more worried about himself and that he was specing damage, reminded me of 5Nana's Sedna.  I'm no Sedna expert but I know there's a few different things you can do with her to be effective, and none of them involve not levelling heal.  

Not lvl'ing heal is the only sure way to annoy McBane  :banhammer:  Trust me, I know. He's ultimately right, too. Low heal builds are very effective in mid games, but with that line-up... Actually, I'm surprised, Pacov has never been a fan of low-heal Sed. Not to the degree he would try it in this kind of game, anyway. 

Reply #132 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 128
we were really scared to death of how we're going to handle the spirit oak with ring of divine might
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote
i wasnt scared until u started to die

Reply #133 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting nnnils, reply 132
i wasnt scared until u started to die
End of nnnils's quote

which takes us back to dmg spec'ing sed... (and really, that just meant maxing pounce asap)

Honestly, I didn't think we'd do enough dps between us if I was simply healing up a storm... between bishops, counter healing, and heals from nills... plus rook with a heavy hammer slam, I figured the best way to go was to get zen to right around 3k, cast silence 2, then u and me spam dmg while he could do nothing.  3k hp is about enough where he's probably not thinking its time to use a sigil just yet.  Without the max pounce, though, we wouldn't have done enough dmg.

Anyway, I get ya... maybe we could have gone toe to toe if I maxed heal and could only dmg for like 600 on pounce, put I didn't think so based on how I was leveling.  And I think even less so with a semi minion spec'd build on oak. 

Reply #134 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting nnnils, reply 132
i wasnt scared until u started to die
End of nnnils's quote

nnnils was like wtf zen, what are you doing xD usually it's me who says that in chat :D

Reply #135 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 133
3k hp is about enough where he's probably not thinking its time to use a sigil just yet
End of OMG_pacov's quote
yeah it worked once, but that was because silence is instant cast while sigil is not^^ lmao

Reply #136 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 134

Quoting nnnils, reply 132i wasnt scared until u started to die

nnnils was like wtf zen, what are you doing usually it's me who says that in chat
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

I doubt that, nnnils is amazing now, especially with Sedna, I saw him an own an Ereb and a UB with her in the same day yesterday.  

Reply #137 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 136
I doubt that, nnnils is amazing now, especially with Sedna, I saw him an own an Ereb and a UB with her in the same day yesterday.
End of GM-McShane87's quote
ouch , i showed him the limits of sed today. occ melts sed with his ballz!

Reply #138 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 137
ouch , i showed him the limits of sed today. occ melts sed with the his ballz!
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

yeah... but its just a math failure... level 15 vs level 15.. unless you come up with some super amazing tactic, sed cannot take a solid occ 1v1 then.  me... I'd just run the other portal then run back.. :O  Better than dying... and makes all those hops and balls look quite silly.  That, I could do over and over on normal towers while the occ just sits there looking stupid with his ball lightning. 

I'm pretty sure you would simply choose not to go toe to toe with occ and just try to outspeed in a 1v1.  Even if occ was about to take my portal and it dropped me to 1, I'd probably make a run on occ's other portals and force him to chase. Seems like a better tactic than dying pointlessly or being forced to flee without accomplishing anything.  That said, sedna beats occ 1v1 imo.  Every day... as long as you choose not to fight heads up unless you have something big to gain (like you have giants killing occs cit).  If you can force occ into a situation where he needs jtreads... he's certainly hurting more than a sedna that needs jtreads.  Anyway, you 2 should try a normal game sometime. 

Glad that I've been able to find some more competitive games lately at least.  It's reminding me what I love about demigod (lag aside, ofc).

Reply #139 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 138
the occ just sits there looking stupid with his ball lightning.
End of OMG_pacov's quote

I lold xD

Reply #140 from Demigod Forums Top

heh... well you should... :P ball light is great if someone is dumb enough to fight you 1v1.  Otherwise... its just 4 orbs that don't do anything useful. abt as bad as spitting and someone removes the effect... only worse. I mean.. you've got like 5 seconds before that shite explodes and does anything more than minor attack dmg.  Just run away, man.  :P

Reply #141 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 140
heh... well you should... ball light is great if someone is dumb enough to fight you 1v1.  Otherwise... its just 4 orbs that don't do anything useful. abt as bad as spitting and someone removes the effect... only worse. I mean.. you've got like 5 seconds before that shite explodes and does anything more than minor attack dmg.  Just run away, man. 
End of OMG_pacov's quote
it's like a shield then :) bodyguardballz =>bodyballz

Reply #142 from Demigod Forums Top

pacov join doggus lobby for 2v2 pls :)

Reply #143 from Demigod Forums Top

Sedna can trash Occ even later on if you abuse targeting.

Reply #144 from Demigod Forums Top

Wait, what about a Diamond Pendant Occ with a Mag Pres Sedna teammate? (I've seen both of these things from high level players, so don't talk shit about them)

Talk about a completely unexpected early explosion from the balls...

Reply #145 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 143
Sedna can trash Occ even later on if you abuse targeting.
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote
don't think you know enough about occulus, to know what he's capable of :)

Reply #146 from Demigod Forums Top

you mean CL > BO > SAVE > CL II + BO II > mana ability .... 

Or the fact you can constantly abuse by walking underneath him so he can't hit you? That was what I was talking about. 

Reply #147 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 146
That was what I was talking about.
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote
that's so old school and unpractical to abuse, since his major damage comes from abilities and/or bishop&siege and he keep switching places when double damaging. also while walking underneath you lose an attack move, where occ can move a little back as well and compensate. 

Reply #148 from Demigod Forums Top

I love a new variant of nils's sedna for 2v2.  I adapt my build a bit per game (I assume nils does as well - seems that way based on when he grabbed silence in response to me in 1 game), but I'm loving the "waste your mana attacking me" playstyle.  Highly effective.  Now... I'm not a huge fan of it in 3v3's, but 2v2... yeah... I don't see myself making any major changes going forward.  As long as you get a teammate that isn't forcing you into unnecessary 2v2 combat, I can pretty much outlast anyone 1v1 except a senda pulling the same rot.

I might make a separate post covering the basics for folks... Seems to me, anyway, that we had a nice run on folks using the hyper aggressive qot after a bit of jibber jabber on the forums.  I'd wager that we'll see more of the same with a solid new sed playstyle. 

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 138
unless you come up with some super amazing tactic, sed cannot take a solid occ 1v1 then.
End of OMG_pacov's quote

Oh - and I can now beat a level 15 occ 1v1 with a level 15 sedna.  What's your problem, nils (zen's occ btw)?  }:)

And I'll add... I can do it stand up or I can do it running around the map like a goon... ooooo.

Let's setup a 1v1 with the appropriate map settings for a show sometime soon (side note - I don't think I can pull the non run around method off after you see my tricks many times, but I'm 100% sure i can pull of the run around every time - (eg back to the whole thing we agree on  - sedna vs occ true 1v1 sedna wins)).

Reply #149 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 148
sedna vs occ true 1v1 sedna wins
End of OMG_pacov's quote
you high? what's special about my occ is have 3 mana helms instead of bishop and siege so i will burst you down instantly and still have a lot of mana left over ( i'm talking about lvl 15 settings fighting at mid flag btw)

 

Reply #150 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 149
you high? what's special about my occ is have 3 mana helms instead of bishop and siege so i will burst you down instantly and still have a lot of mana left over ( i'm talking about lvl 15 settings fighting at mid flag btw)
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

Too bad helms don't give you speed, nor any of your skills, nor minions. Oh... and sedna has something to stop any burst. Especially when she has silence... :S There is one Sedna I can never beat as Reg. And she is not strong... She never engages combat... She just wins...