EDIT: is it about Daiwa? then nothing here

Many say these technologies will soon be mass produced, though I have doubts about it. Big oil companies won't like this.

But I hope they will get cheaper.

It is an unfortunate thing that being environmental friendly decreases chances in the global market, I hope companies will soon realize how wrong they are, living up the future for increased production and profit in the present.

I have a guess, maybe he was talking about corruption.

I am going to take a wild guess at what this means.

You want 'state support' to put up solar panels? The state uses force to transfer your neighbor's wealth to you.

And one person's personal income for one year in Australia could actually provide every single household in Australia with solar panel systems.

....and she's getting her money selling bits of Australia to one of the world's biggest polluters....whilst wanting to use cheap-imported labour and rile against the Carbon Tax.

Gates in his career has about 70 billion.

This cow made 19 billion last financial year - alone.

God forbid anyone taxing her income.... meanwhile my retired mother of 94 was being taxed still....right up to when she died.

....and beyond.

The problem is that those fat 'cows' will never pay, it is, and always will be the meager sheep 

Sorry if that was too cryptic for some.  Ekko is getting the drift, though.  The 'state' doesn't support anything - only your fellow citizens support such things, either voluntarily or via compulsion.

EDIT: Replies come faster than I can catch them at times.  myfist0 also picked up on it.

Having it must be a serious endorphin high cause most of those that do want more.

Since it looks like Hungarians pay a whopping 50% income tax, I'd say give the guy a break on getting slightly cheaper solar panels.

The Hungarian government's got a nice money laundering operation going there.

Assuming he's paying the same freight everybody else is, he deserves same bennies.  I doubt he chose to pay 50%.

Hopefully the university tuition is at least free like many other EU countries with taxes that high...to pay those tax rates and have student loans would be crippling...

Yes it is free unless you are a total idiot (several courses require ridiculously low poins to get in free) or applying for a course that is prohibited to provide free places (like law and economics).

I am not yet a tax payer so I have no insight on his, but really 50%? And we are not a northern country like Denmark? lol

True, it is not our choice, and our government is using our money poorly so if we had the chance I guess we would pay less to them unless they suddenly changed and started using the people's money in a better way.

I don't think a change towards solar energy should be done on a personal level and not one home at a time. I also think that there should be no subsidies, regulation will be enough.

For example, a government could place a ban on building new fossil fuel plants. This will force energy companies to invest in other forms of energy. I think it can really be as simple as that.

I would prefer that big companies take care of it and build large solar array plants. Then you've the advantage of scale. Maintenance will be easier too. It will also be easier to handle excess power on site (and not wasted on transport)

Another necessary development might be the need to build superconducting cables from deserts to large cities. In that way, transport loss of electricity can be reduced.

http://www.kit.edu/visit/pi_2012_8761.php

http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/26-03-2012/120888-hybrid_superconducting-0/

The latter article proposes that such a cable can be combined with the actual transport of liquid hydrogen from deserts to cities. Although, liquifying hydrogen costs a lot of energy, I wonder if it's worth it to transport it like this.

Right now energy plants are located everywhere near big cities, to reduce the transport cost of electricity. Solar panels are placed in cities because it's close to the consumer.

Similarly, a solar/wind based energy grid like the current one (with homes with solar panels) would require to build H2 and CH4 manufacturing plants near every city to catch excess energy without too much loss... I wonder if that will be cost effective.

On a side-note, when I was looking for information about the sulfur emission by anoxic oceans I found this article on acid rain and its effects on plants.

http://www.intelligentdesigntheory.info/acid_rain_effects_what_causes.htm

You gotta love the internet

When I'm thinking about acid rain, I usually think about the moonscape images from Sudbury and that's how I imagine how a future acid world would look like. But a lot has changed there...

http://350orbust.com/2010/09/13/my-green-sudbury-from-environmental-embarrassment-to-environmental-leader/

What a sham education in NL has apparently become.  Got the youngun's thinking the only solutions are statist solutions.  Can't imagine anything outside that box it appears.

Well this is rude. Everyone has the freedom to believe in something. Just because you think state influence in economy is bad, it does not mean those who think the opposit are all stupid, and their country's education system is a shame because of it. Think of Keynes and his friends, they weren't stupid and shame of the world, right? And they said states should control their economy.

Noone knows what's true in this field, we have seen both state-influenced capitalism and free capitalism fail at solving the occurring problems in the past.. Chosing one side is really just personal preference, like what ideology or party you believe in.

What do you mean by that... if that's intended for me: I'm not young and I had a very good education.

There are limited sources from where to get energy - there's no such thing as "out of the box".

Nothing rude about it.  Same is true of education in the US.

Believe you said in another comment that you are 22, Geo.  There will be a time when 'not young' will mean something else entirely to you.

Please correct me if I got the age wrong.

Dutch education is getting worse but all children have education and can make something of their lives if they do their best, that's what matters most. I think education is overrated anyways: after school you get a nice certificate and then you go to a company and there you have to learn from scratch again. Is that different from the US ?

I'm 42, almost 43.

What do you mean by "out-of-the-box" thinking?

"Thinking outside of the box"

The box = standard, routine, dogmatic, predictable ways and means of approaching a problem.

So it refers to having new insights, being creative, going beyond, lateral thinking, etc.

That was me.. I said I am 22, not Geoman.

Then I revoke my previous comment about being rude.

I thought today state-free economy is the mainstream way of thinking in the developed world. It seems I was wrong.

Sorry for getting the age wrong.  My bad.  But you're still younger than you think, Geo.

As to 'outside the box', my comment was specifically 'outside that box'.

When the federal Department of Education has its own SWAT team armed to the hilt with automatic weapons and full riot gear, you do not live in a 'state-free society'.  Speaking of the US, of course.

Now back to global warming/cooling/change/whatever.

This is the polar opposite of "think outside the box". Ask your teachers what it means and their head will probably explode.

Ya I had to bookmark that quote, it will be used often.  

Yeah, even allowing for the vagaries of translation, that boggles.  They should be the last people you trust.

Ahhhh, that.

Like cold fusion, or having cars running on nothing but water... that kind of stuff ?

Or maybe like putting solar panels on the Moon's poles, and beaming energy towards earth? By lasers for example?

Or you could go for population control and rationing of a daily amount of energy.

Or you could throw society back into the medieval period, by disallowing use of energy during night-time. That was never a problem before and the only reason it's so widespread nowadays, is because it's hard to shut down a complete power plant just for one evening, it's better to keep it running all night long.

That kind of stuff is also possible, it'll only require a complete change of our (night)style life. No more computer gaming till the sun comes up again... only till the sun goes down or until your meager batteries run out. Instead, more dinners by candle-light.