Will Windows 10 end Patch Tuesday?

 

Nothing stays the same. If it did, there’d be no word ‘nostalgia’.

So, Terry Myerson (MS’s OS Chief) has just stated, “"We're not going to be delivering all of the updates to all of these consumers on one day of the month," Myerson said of changes to Windows Update under Windows 10.”

Excellent for not just the reason of dreading one day per month. Not all patches are equally important, nor rapidly tested. Why should the patches which are ready sit around on the shelf for some arbitrary day to roll around. That was a ridiculous way to do things to begin with and I (for one) am glad that dinosaur is dying.

But…this has wider implications. Operating Systems. In a way, the W8/8.1 debacle has shown MS that it’s kind of antiquated to roll out a new OS every 3 years.

Like the browsers and their updating, why can’t OSs do the same? W10 Nightly builds? Modulular updating? Why not?

There will be the ‘edgy’ crowd which loves to screw around with their OSs and give MS feedback…and then, there are others who’ll benefit (maybe) from these OS explorer (sorry, but I used ‘edge’ already)/warrior types.

MS is neither confirming nor denying, and will disavow any knowledge of you, Mr. Phelps.

May I suggest to all future users of W10 that they not hasten to update as soon as a patch becomes ‘available’? Might I propose that you wait a bit and see if any friend’s computer has become a paper weight as a result of hasty patch installation? Maybe creating a restore point before any updating?

It should make the Support Forum an even more ‘interesting’ place, anyway.

Have a good weekend!

Source:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2920181/microsoft-windows/patch-tuesday-may-be-dead-but-microsofts-not-confessing-to-the-crime.html

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When it updates it automatically creates a restore point.

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Yeah, but that's W7...it might not do the same in W10, you know...although I truly hope it does!  ;)

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Will Windows 10 end Patch Tuesday?

More to the point, will it end Windows 11... or should I say 12, given the 8 to 10 jump in numbering.

Yes, another article on Windows 10 suggests that it will be Microsoft's last OS... as in there will be no more new editions, ever.

Apparently, Windows 10 is it, and any new OS developments in future willl be delivered as updates.

And no, this is not mere speculation.  Microsoft's Jerry Nixon, Windows lead developer, announced it during the Ignite conference in Chicago. May 4 - 8 2015

http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/microsoft_says_windows_10_is_the_last_version.html


Nothing stays the same. If it did, there’d be no word ‘nostalgia’.

Nothing stays the same... otherwise we'd never have invented the wheel or be talking computers now. :grin:

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Yeah Windows 10 maybe the last OS.Are they going to do deliver updates like the style of Google Chrome in future?Thats what i'm thinking now.

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Quoting starkers, reply 3

Apparently, Windows 10 is it, and any new OS developments in future willl be delivered as updates.

Makes me wonder what the annual maintenance fee will be.  I wouldn't expect it to be free.  If I had Win8 I'd want to know that before I took the free upgrade to 10, that "free" upgrade might end up costing a lot in terms of [Useful remaining life of Win8] vs [Cost of maintaining Win10].  All depends on when they'd start charging and how much.

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Quoting Destrohelix, reply 4

.Are they going to do deliver updates like the style of Google Chrome in future?

That appears to be the idea, delivering OS updates as they're developed, rather than accumulating new developments to create a new OS. 

To all intents and purposes, it does seem like a good idea... until Win 10 can no longer keep pace with hardware/3rd party software advancements..  In other words, Win 10 could become a bottleneck to future development unless the core is updated accordingly.

And what happens when 128 bit OSes are the in thing everywhere else... like with Apple and the major hardware/software companies?  Does Microsoft rehash Win 10 around it and call it 10.1, or does it do the sensible thing and build a new OS - the OS they're currently not going to build - to accomodate the ne architecture?

For mine, it is better to never say never... just in case something comes up that you never foresaw, and then, never getting the chance to retract the never you never thought you'd ever regret.

:grin:

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Quoting DaveRI, reply 5


Quoting starkers,

Apparently, Windows 10 is it, and any new OS developments in future willl be delivered as updates.



Makes me wonder what the annual maintenance fee will be.  I wouldn't expect it to be free.  If I had Win8 I'd want to know that before I took the free upgrade to 10, that "free" upgrade might end up costing a lot in terms of [Useful remaining life of Win8] vs [Cost of maintaining Win10].  All depends on when they'd start charging and how much.

There is that point/possibility... perhaps.  However, I think Microsoft will implement a method similar to Apple's that delivers software and its updates via the Store, at a cost.  We have already seen that Windows Media Center will not be a part of Windows 10, but I believe that it and other MS software will be made available through the Store.  So it won't just be Apps for the 'Metro" interface, it will be Microsoft's entire catalogue on sale.  I believe that's how they intend to keep the sales/income stream going... by incorporating everything within a 'walled garden'.

:'(

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Quoting DaveRI, reply 5

Makes me wonder what the annual maintenance fee will be.  I wouldn't expect it to be free.

Might well run the way SD does with WB's updates and versions. Might base it on build number. No way of telling except the future might just have you renting your OS...like Adobe's Creative Cloud.

And starkers...

Quoting starkers, reply 3

otherwise we'd never have invented the wheel or be talking computers now.

You would know...you were there. ;) 

 

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 8

No way of telling except the future might just have you renting your OS...like Adobe's Creative Cloud.

Ya that's kind of what I'm thinking, or an annual fee like pay anti-viruses.  It makes sense to me that they'd do it that way, no reason really to do all that cd/dvd burning and packaging.  Would be an environmental boost  :thumbsup:  .  Works for me, as long as they don't get too greedy.

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As a side note to this topic I must say that being able to enjoy life you have to become somewhat of an expert of time management.  Now how you choose to manage your time will depend on where you are in your life (starting out, mid-life or retired). 

Where I am in my life allows me to allot the appropriate time towards this subject, which happens to be very little.  Currently a major portion of my time gets alloted to napping.  I may choose to review my time management.......or not.

Whatever approach Micorsoft takes we will all manage to make it through the day.

Just having fun folks, have a great day.  :)

 

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 8

And starkers...

Quoting starkers,
reply 3

otherwise we'd never have invented the wheel or be talking computers now.

You would know...you were there.

As were you.... being the most senior supervisor, while I was just a mere child looking on. :grin:

As for the future of Windows, I believe that we will physically have it on our machines for a while yet, and that we'll purchase other MS software through the store, much like Apple customers do.  Windows on the Cloud for rent, well that will come... eventually. 

For now, though, too many older users and businesses do not trust the Cloud, and then there's all those Windows 7 and 8 users who will simply hang on to their OS for grim death until 2020 - 2025 and beyond.  It's a hurdle I do not see Microsoft being able to jump or go around for at least another 10 years or so. 

Though the Cloud is imminent/inevitable, selling the concept hasn't been/won't be so easy when you have a largely distrusting public and hackers breaching Cloud securiry at will almost every day.  Before people truly warm to the idea of the Cloud, much work has to be done, particularly in the areas of privacy and security... and then there's the billions who still do not have high speed internet, with a rather large percentage on woefully slow connections.  An operating system on the Cloud would not even work for them, even if they did accept/approve of the idea.

Another potential barrier to a Cloud based OS would be those countries with certain provisions and/or censorship based bans, etc.... like the EU, China North Korea and the like.  True, MS could put up several regional editions - at a cost - but with hacking the way it is, people accessing prohibited versions and features, I don't see China and others accepting the idea  at all.

Like I said, muck work needs to be done if Cloud based OSes are to become commonplace..

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Nothing stays the same. If it did, there’d be no word ‘nostalgia’.

Tell that to the XP hangers on....lol.

I run 8.1 on all machines. As for 10, we'll see.

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All I want in Windows 10 is background updating.

 

I hate when I want to shut the PC off, and Windows & tells me "1 of 12 updates are loading. please do not shut your computer off".

 

And then I wait and wait...

 

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Quoting RedneckDude, reply 12


Nothing stays the same. If it did, there’d be no word ‘nostalgia’.

Tell that to the XP hangers on....lol.

Hehe, I knew a bloke when I lived in Tasmania who still wouldn't let go of Win 98 when Vista was released.  That's right, XP had been around for 8 years or so, but there was no way he was letting go of '98.  His actual preference was '95 but he could no longer get a copy, hence the next best thing. 

Last I heard, he reluctantly moved up to XP.  That was in 2013... not because he wanted to, or through lack of support.  No, his '98 disc cracked.  As for Vista, Win 7 or Win 8, his response was/probably still is: "You can shove them up yer arse." and the subject is heneforth closed..... despite all the security warnings/potential threats.

Some people.... you just can't help.  :(O *like, where's the tearing your hair out smiley when you need one?* :grin:

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Quoting starkers, reply 11

Like I said, muck work needs to be done if Cloud based OSes are to become commonplace..

I'm not sure if that's a typo, a Freudian slip, or an astute observation  :grin:

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Quoting DaveRI, reply 15


Quoting starkers,

Like I said, muck work needs to be done if Cloud based OSes are to become commonplace..



I'm not sure if that's a typo, a Freudian slip, or an astute observation  :grin:

Um, definitely a typo, Dave.... though do believe people will not happily move over to Cloud based OSes until privacy and security concerns are addressed.  Then there are those who can not access a high speed internet fast enough to run a Cloud based OS... plus use online tools AND browse AND download/stream media, etc.  So no, it's not likely to be a reality any time soon....  unless MS again jumps the gun, that is, and releases before the product/market is ready.

 

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Quoting RedneckDude, reply 12



Nothing stays the same. If it did, there’d be no word ‘nostalgia’.



Tell that to the XP hangers on....lol.

I run 8.1 on all machines. As for 10, we'll see.

Jim, if you have 8.1 it's a good deal to upgrade to 10 for free, though I wouldn't recommend doing that on day 1.

However, I wouldn't recommend doing that for W7 users. W7 is an eminently stable OS and would use it to the end of its life.

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I am running Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 (Triple Boot) right now. My primary OS is Windows 7 though. I just have 10 installed to see what it's like and to see what other nonsense Microsoft comes up with.  ;P

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For enterprise networks, it might not be so simple. In reality patches sometimes break things. Unmanaged patching creates headaches for those tasked with ensuring availability of corporate network resources. So companies may opt to create artificial patch cycles so patches can be managed.

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Quoting eviator, reply 19

companies may opt to create artificial patch cycles so patches can be managed.

As I wrote in the OP:


May I suggest to all future users of W10 that they not hasten to update as soon as a patch becomes ‘available’? Might I propose that you wait a bit and see if any friend’s computer has become a paper weight as a result of hasty patch installation?

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 20

As I wrote in the OP:


May I suggest to all future users of W10 that they not hasten to update as soon as a patch becomes ‘available’? Might I propose that you wait a bit and see if any friend’s computer has become a paper weight as a result of hasty patch installation?

That's probably wise advice for users of Win 7 and 8/8.1.... Vista, too.  Patches in the past have been known to break things in all OSes, so I download them automatically but install them manually a few days later, just to be on the safe side.  For the most part, patches have been tested and are found to be safe, but given the different configurations of hardware and software across the board, there may be exceptions to the rule.... hence the 'wait and see' approach.

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Quoting eviator, reply 19

For enterprise networks, it might not be so simple. In reality patches sometimes break things. Unmanaged patching creates headaches for those tasked with ensuring availability of corporate network resources. So companies may opt to create artificial patch cycles so patches can be managed.

So much THIS.

"Hey nobody can log onto the timecard website today."

"Was Java updated last night?"

"Looks like it."

"There's your problem." 

Everything automatically updating whenever it wants creates huge headaches for IT people.

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Automatic anything is no bargain...Murphy's Law is applicable for everything and at every level.