[quote who="nnnils" reply="78" id="3088205"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67I just believe that burst beats in the long run overall damage in 3v3s early to mid game, unless you go pure super tank.well ur getting grasp 3 at lvl 14 which isnt exactly early to mid game.. Also in high lvl games the fights tend to last longer (people can calculate very well when to back up, sigil, orb, heal etc) which means with grasp 3 and overall less mana u might be out of mana once u would need it the most.
[quote who="LORD-ORION" reply="69" id="3087942"]2nd then you must see people argue with what I actually agreed with, yet ignoring what I didn't agree with... UB opness for people with the inferior meta gaming skill at the pug and n00b level. That is to say they get caught in the described UB trap easily, and the fight is over. Surely I was angry when I made my post... but it is infuriating to watch the same people say crazy ass shit that just does not jive with the "non-pro/non-frien
[quote who="LORD-ORION" reply="76" id="3088152"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 68 Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 65This is also how you can escape with UB Grasp -> Ooze off -> Run Gives you a 1.5 second head start. Did you bury the hatchet yet ? Serendipity http://www.xkcd.org/1020/[/quote] [e digicons]k1[/e] :D Now taking time for your mega post to read
[quote who="pacov" reply="71" id="3087946"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 70good point i wanted to do an artifact chapter well - you can add an artifact chapter, but even that is generally outside the scope of pro games. Sure, some do hit artifacts, but common? nah. Anyway, why not. Make your guide as exhaustive as possible. No reason that you shouldn't have fun with it. [/quote] yeah in pro games it can get max to 1 or 2 artifact g
[quote who="doggu" reply="72" id="3087966"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 67 Just as the capturing gold flag without getting hit by the turret is accepted. Was this not meant to happen in the map design for cata?[/quote] nope, they said they were going to fix it but never did.
[quote who="pacov" reply="66" id="3087906"]You forgot to add in jtreads. Only person maybe catching u at that point is da.[/quote] good point i wanted to do an artifact chapter, I think there is a lot more of deep insight i can share than most people are able to experience with no high lvl players left to have long games against.
[quote who="LORD-ORION" reply="65" id="3087871"]This is also how you can escape with UB Grasp -> Ooze off -> Run Gives you a 1.5 second head start.[/quote] Did you bury the hatchet yet ? :P
[quote who="nnnils" reply="61" id="3087626"]In a mathematical viewpoint im pretty sure that the ub with 2 points in enhanced attributes instead of grasp 3 is stronger.. keep in mind that u`ll have more hp/mana/armor etc and u gonna be able to spit/grasp once more than the opposing ub.. I also doubt that ur not using the grasp bug at all..[/quote] In the end you are talking about scenarios where your play style might be better, while I talk about other scenarios where my pla
[quote who="GM-McShane87" reply="54" id="3087282"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 46Maybe that's why I always come out ahead in them UB fights shane Lol someone seems to have developed early onset dementia. [/quote] Haha it depends on which time ranges you look :D[quote who="doggu" reply="53" id="3087253"]Quick question on topic. If you go beyond foul grasp 1 (as I never have or can't recall doing so) is the ooze bug still exploitable?[/quote] Even if it
updated on request on how to become a pro UB :) let me know if you guys wanna hear about sth I haven't touched yet edit: edited the Standard UB build apparently i'm the only one that prefers maxing grasp, which has to do with my psychotic playstyle that every extra 100 hp extra damage counts for me o_O
[quote who="GM-McShane87" reply="44" id="3086780"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 42However i think maxing grasp is still very good to secure kills and to regain health. This sounds like something you've picked up in all those 1 v 1s. Nnnils is right no standard UB has ever gotten grasp 3, it's like 1500 mana or something real dumb.[/quote] It's 1400. yeah the mana cost is way too high. However, in the midst of the fight it is extremely helpful to get the 600 ext
[quote who="Elend_Venture" reply="35" id="3086495"]Chess is perfectly balanced looking forward to the ooze guide I need tips to better my UB.. Actually chess is not entirely balanced... black can have checkmate in 2 moves whilst white cannot...but then white has first move and tho arguably both and advantage and a disadvantage, statistically white wins in tournaments some 52-56% of the time.... Checkers? maybe,,,, again turn based games are hard to determine.
[quote who="nnnils" reply="40" id="3086740"]the real standard ub : lvl 1 Venom Spit I lvl 2 Ooze I lvl 3 save lvl 4 Venom Spit II + Ooze II lvl 5 Foul Grasp I lvl 6 save lvl 7 Venom Spit III + Ooze III lvl 8 Inner Beast I lvl 9 save lvl 10 Venom Spit IV + Ooze IV lvl 11 Inner Beast II lvl 12 Inner Beast III lvl 13 diseased claws lvl 14 save<
[quote who="GM-McShane87" reply="37" id="3086520"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 23 Quoting nnnils, reply 22 Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 19Nnnils is a very strong mechanical player, he still needs to work on his thinking skills, until he can defeat me He's getting there though in 1v1s. 2v2s and 3v3s will still take a while^^I guess thats what i get for kicking ur ass daily well if you would comment as analytical and thought through as you play in game I might not have that conc
[quote who="pacov" reply="29" id="3086294"]It's a forum and you are welcome to post your opinion, but I'd ask you to reconsider 1 of your thoughts, orion. I honestly think there is no chance in hell that folks would be leaving dg in droves as a result of finding characters imbalanced. Methinks there might be a few more obvious reasons why the attach rate hasn't stuck extremely high after the launch on steam. [/quote] tell me one game that is perfectly balanced except pong? I think
[quote who="Elend_Venture" reply="32" id="3086342"]Who really plays UB without ooze? Honestly the AOE damage is the only edge UB has for levelling... wipe minion wave while running through it. . Without it, meh spit run spit run, stop to farm run.... Also remember the debuff on your enemy as well as dps. Perhaps if Zen or nnils were actually willing to play against people they would see an effective ooze UB sometimes. [/quote] Oh i know it's strengths, i will be pos
[quote who="LORD-ORION" reply="24" id="3086188"]Seriously? People are arguing that you don't need to worry about that damage potential I showed? Based Speed 6.3, + 10% speed in inner beast, and maybe 5% snare in diseased claw? If you get caught by UB (my argument) you stay caught.... unless you are playing range 30 swarm erebus, or I can shield and tp out oak. I suppose from you lofty elite thrones it's harder to notice that 75% of the players in
[quote who="nnnils" reply="22" id="3086151"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 19Nnnils is a very strong mechanical player, he still needs to work on his thinking skills, until he can defeat me He's getting there though in 1v1s. 2v2s and 3v3s will still take a while^^I guess thats what i get for kicking ur ass daily[/quote] well if you would comment as analytical and thought through as you play in game I might not have that conception of you.
[quote who="pacov" reply="20" id="3086047"]Just sayin... you should have heard zen going on last night about how the ooze beast is the best possible ub. I shite you not.[/quote] still testing him a lot to make sure[e digicons]:thumbsup:[/e]
[quote who="LORD-ORION" reply="15" id="3085826"] Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 11 I don't think he's noob friendly at all. I haven't seen one good ub in pug games. I think the context is being equal in skill and knowing the game mechanics. It's easy to be turned off originally by UB if you don't know itemization (no lifestack and ooze = fail) But, with 40% AA damage mitigation that also does 140 DPS for a cost of 50 healt
[quote who="OMG_ZEX" reply="12" id="3085404"]This guide is obviously terrible. Not even a sentence about OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT. Noobs shouldn't write guides.... [/quote] lol, don't worry it's coming, the ooze beast is just so rarely played but I see how it is ridcoulous in 3v3. Also I only lost to 1k hp against a spit beast in a 1v1 scenario. It's amazing with generals and especial
[quote who="FAiRLiGHT_" reply="123" id="3085074"]I think we can get up to 12 people to form a number of different 3v3 teams for some good games. I like the idea of rotating players through teams. Regarding champion picks; Maybe make the format a best of 3, where each team bans 2 champions per set, but cant ban the same ones for more then once (per round).[/quote] ban 2 sounds kind of a lot, how about ban 1 for each team and no one can play that demigod at all? ex, queen and da are banned and
