Will the right-of-passage effects just be for ships with weapons? Will a freighter take forever to get across the galaxy? And if my survey ship gets zapped through a wormhole will it ever be able to make it back, at 1 pc/turn it'll be practially out of the game since it'll never get to another anomoly.

I guess the resturant of etenity (if it still exists in the game) will be HUGE.

Just an insert: If you have no right of passage for a certain AI, you can't upgrade ships in that AI's territory. Also, you should get rights of passage free with Alliances.

It seems cultural influence will just be too important. Terrans will have better fighting ability within their own territory, Yor will be slowing others down within their own territory, the UP has various laws about territory, now you have right-of-passage treaties, blah, blah, blah.

The colony rush, cultural buildings, population, influencer starbases and influence resources, the Xenophiles/Xenophobes events, and Restaurant of Eternity will all become more powerful.

And the Arceans not having engines sounds... weird. Why wouldn't they have engines? What oddball storyline quirk is that? It seems the Great Galactic Losers will now have to spend precious planet space to make their ships go faster... that too, only in their own territory.

IMO, the right-of-passage thing is just further, severe nerfing of speed-increasing systems. Each expansion pack just keeps making ships slower, and slower, and slower, while galaxies keep getting larger.

I liked the system in Europa Universalis 2... you couldn't go through enemy territory without permission, or declaring war. You also couldn't declare war while you had military access. However, that wouldn't apply to traders (the trading system was different anyhow) Basically, it made being far away a big anti-war argument, because you would need access through the middle, or need to declare war on everyone between. But, that's land, and this is space. Space is all no-man's land, as far as I can tell. Like water in EU2. You fight for it when you have to, but it's never really yours. I can't say it makes sense that being in a certain sector would slow a ship down. But if someone doesn't have military access, there should be a much smaller penalty to declare war.

I've seen minor races do quite a bit of colonization as it is. In a few rare cases, I've actually seen them get as large as some of the smaller major races.

That sounds like too much micromanagement to be able to set the speed of individual ships within your sphere of influence.

It would certainly make the most sense for a recommended speed limit without Right of Passage treaties. As in, "You can go more than this if you want to, but you're gonna make them upset." The other thing is that breaking the rules shouldn't AUTOMATICALLY mean war, just reduced relations.

Also, I ask again: will we ever (preferably TA) see a disable tag for techs, as discussed in my previous post, 31?

here is an idea.


allow the player to decide if he will follow the speed limit.


then a new up decision if an empire is caught speeding another races territory they have to pay blank amount to that race in fines.

It seems that the difference in opinion comes in the fact that you seem to want some sort of quasi-simulation of a pseudo-science reality, whereas personally I just want a game, and a game where all of the options present are actually relevant.

If Earth is light years away from the sun, then by God I can slow down opposing ships in my territory just by looking at them funny.

No, seriously, you want an explanation? Okay: Tachyon fields! Don't worry if it doesn't make sense, since...you know...most of the technology in the game doesn't if you think about it too long.

Tachyon Fields? Ok fine. Put that in the tech tree somewhere, and then we can upgrade starbases with Tachyon Field Generators (of various strengths depending on the level of the technology) by building Constructors, and give Super-Isolationists appropriate benefits related to the technology.

I'd want that more than a rationalization.

Hi everyone,

I have started another thread with an alternate suggestion to the Right of Passage treaty here:

http://carielf.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=163543

Please read it and let me know what you think.

Here are my 2 BC worth of ideas

Peace Treaties
Personally I think there should be a minimum number of turns that you can't go to war with someone after you sign a peace treaty. If you DO declare war before this time period is up I think your diplomacy rating should be pretty badly beaten.


Resource Treaties
Imagine if you could LOAN developed resources to other races? That would REALLY allow you to make a big contribution to someone elses war. You could loan them for a certain amount of time and then they would revert back to you at the end of that time. This also adds a neat twist. If I am neutral to A but at war with B what do I do when I find a starbase that is lending resources to A? If I destroy it then I am at war with B. How do you prevent exploits (i.e. get a deal to loan a race resources before declaring war). Well, it could either be assumed that a third party would be running the starbase so its still not yours until the end of the contracted time, or you could simply savage the scoundrel's diplomacy rating on all races. I suppose a Resource Treaty indicator could be part of the Treaty Screen, and some sort of indicator on the actual starbases showing who it is being leant to and for how long if your espionage is high enough.

Espionage Treaties
Signing such a treaty automatically grants Low Espionage level to each of the signers. In addition for a small, ongoing fee you share a small amount of espionage on other races that you gather. So even if I am not spying on the Drath I get a percentage of Intelligence that the Humans are gathering on the Drath.

Intelligence Espionage
Personally I am not a fan of doing sabotage simply for the sake of gathering intelligence so I hardly ever use Spy's as a weapon (its just too expensive). If you could designate spy's to only gather intelligence then this would be better. Being spied on this way might not be worth the computer using one of their own spies to nullify. In addition there might only be a small chance per turn of such a spy being nullified.

Pirates
I think it would be really cool if on the Espionage screen, once you have hit a certain level you could directly fund pirates. They would randomly appear in uninhabited systems a certain distance from the nearest target race's inhabited system. The quality of the ships would be determined by some formula using the level of the sponsor, the level of the target and the amount of money sent. Once spawned the pirate might attack other races, but that is what happens when you deal with pirates. Everytime you send money there is a chance based on the target's race's intelligence level of the Sponsor that this dastardly action is discovered and race relations are affected.

Vassal States
I never go for a military victory since it takes too long to do all of the mopping up, and its just not fun IMHO. I think it would be cool if you could force a race to become a Vassal (or offer to become one if you are being hammered). A Vassal turns over all resource bases, and can only trade with the controlling race. In addition they are unable to declare war or peace, and are automatically at war/peace with whoever is the controlling race and vice versa. The relations they have with all other races mirror the Controlling race's relations. Now if the Controlling race declares war on a Vassal their diplomacy is thoroughly savaged.
Now at an opportune time, or if the vassal feels it is strong enough to through off the chains of oppression, then they may break their vassalage. All wars that they were involved in cease and their relations to all other races are neutral modified with how that related race feels about the controlling race. Of course breaking such a vassalage is an act of war to the Controlling Race.

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