Warcraft 3 says Hi and did this just fine.

One other thing I think we are just not talking about the same thing. Let me make one last attempt to show in some ways we are on the same page actually....

- The Pantheon is a persistent tournament ladder. It is lightside vs. darkside. Its not a clan vs. clan setup. It ranks by individual performance on random made teams. Keeps track of the ongoing light vs. dark results etc.

- Later as they add the ability for actual Tournaments those should be premade team vs. premade teams and ranked with a leaderboard for that purpose.

- Then they have just the regular ladder rankings as they do that takes into account the skirmishes and custom games or whatever.

The only point I and a few others were making is in regards to the Pantheon is keep it so people get matches of the same type. When they do the competitive tournaments thats fine to do premades and all that.

Single person. So a single person's ranking is dependent on 2 random other people? What kind of skill is this going to reflect in the ladder? Luck?

a team should be able to be formed for every game type.  for skirmishes and pantheon, a team should be matched against another team, not a PUG.

can't wait for team pantheon 

lol so those last 2 posts i made trying to clarify and extend the bridge there you just like "ehh whatever I like cola". lol

The main point was if you look at the Pantheon setup...its for rankings on Light vs. Dark....ranking individual players. Its a persistent setup.

The premade vs. premade thing just will be under the "Clans" section and be a seperate thing. At least thats what many hope for.

Anyway....have fun.  

You don't want to alienate your casual crowd.  Not everyone is:

1. Going to have there friends online at the same time they are.
2. Going to have the time to form a team.
3. Going to want to make friends and form a team up.

Sometimes after getting home from work, I'm going to just want to jump into a skirmish game with strangers and fight it out.  When I do this, I'm not going to want to fight against a pre-made team that is rocking voice, playing super coordinated and overall is very very good, Vs my team which can't voice chat with each other and may have some newer players.

Don't get me wrong, I like this game enough and so far I'm into it enough that I do plan on playing pre-arranged teams with my brothers and friends.  We will be on vent we will be very compitive, but forcing everyone to that mold is a very bad idea (and you'll lose sales and members of the community).

I see no problem with a noob ladder or non-constructed team ladder.  Sounds like you'll never play it, fine but don't try to force everyone else into your cookie cutter world (we won't all fit). 

-Jara

Oh no! A team game lets people choose their teams. Oh the imba!

Are you replying to anyone in particular? Because most of us here are just fine with premade teams, as long as the system doesn't reward team stacking by matching premades against a bunch of randoms.

It can still remain a random match-up between teams. If people want to play Pantheon with premade teams, they can do so without affecting people who join up by themselves.

Randoms get matched with randoms.

Teams get matches with teams.

Everyone wins, and neither affects the other. The integrity of the ladder is maintained because a team vs team match isn't skewed the way a team vs randoms match would be, so the win/favor points are properly earned.

if the player base is good, ie the game does well, automatch will have enough teams

Also, which video does Brad mention the team automatch?

Ideally there should be a clan Panth and a Solo panth. Tourneys can use clan panth and clans can use solo panth to judge skill and recruit from. People with skill will stick out even when paired with newbs and thier records would reflect that.

new players can come in to the game, learn the ropes on solo panth and when they get a decent record they can start looking for a clan.