If you're a TB and regulus is spending all his money on +dmg/speed items, you need to stack armor.  Get 2 mana helms for your mana, and fill the rest of the spots with high hp/armor items.  You will still be  nuking for the same on him, and even with his upgrades he'll be hitting you super fast but only for like 150.  Groffling Plate, GodPlate, bulwark.  You can negate his damage, he can't negate yours (other than a bulwark, but then hes spending on defense not offense).

As a full time reg player I use this strat a lot.  The problem is vs. good players they don't give you that time to buy 2 massively expensive artifiacts.  On april 30th I played a 1hr and 47min game on crucible.  It was me on Reg with Sedna as a crappy feeder player until about the 30 min mark when they raged quit vs. 2 TB both using the regen artifact.

I saw the 2 TB's so I setup for a dps pressure build knowing they'd try and hit and run. My team mate feeded not watching for fireballs X2 and so we were behind.  However they didn't seem to cap the artfiact/gold spawn until way later in the game.  Basically what happened was both teams leveled up wiht the forces of darkness having a massive advantage and pushing right into my base and killing me.  They had continuosly used the regen artifact to peel back and heal up then come back in.  While I was dead they got my Cit down to about 8K health.  Which as most of you know is an easy easy EASY kill for 2 TB's to suicide on.   Insted they kept running out and healing up.  One ported out to buy upgrades or artifacts then I was able to push and kill the one in my base still.

Cit at 8K and healing slow so I pumped all my cash into the building upgrade to get health back and then followed a massive zerg of spawned in creatures that had been in my base.  That is the point they should have won the game.  They didn't finish it and then I just started farming the giants and  what not for cash.  My AI team mate re-capped the artifact flag and I jumped over with my 50K money that I couldn't spend since they'd had it locked up (I'd already upgraded mobs and Cit) and bought the works.  The key here is I bought the 80 damage and silence axe. 

Both of these TB players were so confident in their ability to stun me that they didn't even watch the cooldowns when they button mashed.  One would rush in and I'd use the axe to disable abilities for 6 sec.  Now if any of you have played vs. a late game pure dps build reg you'll know he can push about 1.5-2k damage per second.  7000Hp on TB and 6 seconds of no abilities is gonna get you killed fast.  They couldn't understand why they couldn't kill me.

They let the game drag out like that and they lost after I solo'd both of them repeatedly to push to the final flag then burn their Cit down.

The key here littleOz is to know you're DG's strengths and weaknesses.  TB is a very very strong middle game pusher and I'm sure you win most of your matches in that 30-45 min mark easy.  The problem is there is NO OTHER DG that can stand toe to toe with Reg late in the game when he's pushing 65% attack speend and 700+ damage a shot.  He's got the range to get in about 4 free hits so even a similar buffed UB is dead meat as well.  Toss in the AXE (can't remember it's name) and any skill based DG is gonna get hosed with it's 6sec disable.  If you let a Reg player farm up that much cash (he's not spending it on creeps or team based upgrades) and you can't crush him...then you need to look at your playstyle.

I've never lost a game when the other team is stupid enough to get in a stand off with me when I've got 2-3 of those artifacts.  The key is to push hard knowing that Reg either has to save and then explode or gimp his late game with team based upgrades.  If you can't keep the pressure on with 2 TBs vs. a Reg + whatever then you've just got to get more aggressive.  The artifacts are balanced and they're powerful enough to stop stalemates.  Skill based DGs need to know they're on a running clock with Reg.  You let him build up and hit level 18-20 and it's gonna be over for you.  Especially on maps like the one you mentioned where the Mobs all group up onto a narrow causeway to get hit with angelic fury.   Thats where Reg starts to farm and exp up.  Hit Tab at the START of every round and adjust your play style to the other teams DGs.

Pretty much describes all close games where the team are evenly match and players are of similar skill.  I see a ton of people do that.  Insted of finishing off the game they go back for one more round of upgrades with out portal scrolls or such.  The problem is when you've got them that close to their base they will have 3-4 spawn waves of mobs attacking.  As soon as they push out that giant clump of mobs is gonna roll your reinforcments till they get almost to your base.  Letting them take map control or the artifact flag back.  Thats when the big bucks get dropped and reg/oak/UB become monsters.  Keep em pressed in and without a chance to get map control back.

Am I the only one who doesn't really like the idea of this dynamic? Certain DGs are only good at certain points of the game? If there is a 1v1 verses TB and Reg, both players of equal skill, does that mean TB will always win because he is better mid game than Reg? Or you play a really great 3v3, both teams upgrading at relatively the same pace, all the DGs get to level 20 at about the same time, but because one team had Reg they win because Reg is just good late game.

Why can't all the Demigods be good at every stage of the game? Good at different things, but still balanced?

Never really said it was unbeatable by anything just said for TB it's important to not drag a game out to the point where Reg can get all those artifacts.

Your last paragraph isn't very thought out since it looks like you're setting up a 3 on 1 to counter Reg. I'm not sure what you think the other 2 players on his team are doing....  Reg's range advantage gives him a huge boost vs. other DGs.  If they try to rush in on him he can always back peddle till their in a think swarm of reinforcements and then start plunking away from range....lots of damage from giants and what not at that point in the game.  Also Reg doesn't have to stick in the fight all the time.  You can just whittle away down to 1/3 life or whatever and when they pull back to heal just switch targets.  Keep that up and most other DGs run out of mana at some point.  Pressure mounts and the battle line keeps moving forward.

Anyhow I'm off topic really since it was a question about TB vs. Reg and how to play around it.  As for Connatic's comment about late vs. mid game strength I think it's kinda important that its in the game.  Brings a little more strategy to it.  I know that when I play with Reg vs. TB I need to push early so that I can start my upgrades a bit sooner.  Usually I have  til about level 8 or so and then I can't really pressure again until 15+.

Oh, it does assume theres other players. Notice I said 'focus fire.' This assumes that theres other people to be mis-targeted. The Erebus has bat form, and both sedna/UB with boots/anklet and passive move speed will inevitably move faster. THREE stuns, you are NOT getting away from that. If the other two teammates CC any of the three, the sedna will be able to pick up any lost health with a few heals. Once the regulus is dead, the other two targets can easily be switched and killed even faster, if they aren't behind their towers already.

However, I didn't see the portion about this specifically being about how to beat reg with a TB. The only thing to that I can say is basically the same thing. TB has more lane pushing abilities, much more effective AoE and thus a better ability to farm. He doesn't have snipe, the ultimate harass, but he has fireball which is the next best thing. He also has a massive amount of move speed to move in and out. Combat wise, he's pretty even but he can generally out-farm a regulus if he knows what hes doing.

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!!!   That would be horrible if people used that tactic.  It would definitely work.  This brings me back to the original part of the post that Ashkandor + Mageslayer (and whatever other + life drain or + attack speed items) with a Regulus using "wing form" is an instant win.  I have never seen any team come back from that. 

For those who have never seen Regulus using those items in winged form, here's the low down of how it works.  Angel form allows him to hit multiple tagets.  Not a big deal until he has a 10% chance of 4x crits.  That means every couple of shots, he crits for 2000-4000 damg and wipes the all the creeps extremely quickly.  One shots giants.  Combine that with Mageslayer and he shoots every .7 seconds or lower and heals himself for at least 12% of damg done.  That's 120 hp off a 1k shot and each shot hits 5-10 creeps, letting him gain 580 -1200 per shot!  Now imagine a 4k hits out of that, boom, 480 HP instantly in .7 of second.

VS another DG, in five seconds he fires seven shots doing anywhere from several hundred to 4000 damg each.  At max, he can do multiple thousands of damg in 5 seconds.  In FIVE seconds!   While healing himself no less.  

Please don't squabble about the math, sure it might be under or over stated, the point is that the dynamic that just one Regulus getting both those items has on the game.  Try setting it up.  Do a 3v3 with just one Regulus.  Have the Light team feed items to Regulus to sell, and then have him get that combo of weapons.  That team, in conquest, has a 100% chance to win.  There is no stopping it.  How can you stop a DG that can kill waves of creeps in seconds, regen faster shooting than being under a health crystal, and can hit for 4k every couple of shots?  You can't.  The mechanic is broken.  I never realized until Fhoeng made his case.  There should be no "ultimate" DG.  Every individual should be good but not so good with certain items to win any game.

For your Regulus problem, I think your best bet would be to combine unclean beast (foul grasp and ooze specced) with another demigod with a stun.  Ooze reduces regulus' attack speed, plus foul grasp prevents him from attacking.  Combine with a stun and significantly high DPS and you can smack down regulus quite nicely.  What time he isn't stunned he'll be under the effect of ooze and have reduced attack speed.

That said, I tend to agree that IAS + life steal gets insane late game, and needs to be toned down.  In fact, I think we need more late game alternatives to IAS, life steal, and crit, which everyone seems to get given enough time.

The problem with the citadel graveyard upgrade isn't that it sucks, but rather that if you die often enough for it to be useful that you will lose simply because of gold issues.  For this upgrade to be useful, the bounty system will need to be reworked such that continually killing the same player gives diminishing returns, thus making strategies of attrician more useful.

I heartily agree.  Not many late game alternatives that people choose.  Adding more would be interesting and add variety.

You're spot on about the citadel graveyard upgrades as well.  Diminishing returns could help balance that out.

A very shitty combo that is easily destroyed with a support character to maintain a nuker like Regulus. Also, TB doesn't have MUCH over regulus if anything at all, other than superior lane pushing.

Really? I guess you would know, because you played them. Oh that's right. You're still here in this thread debating over how to beat a Regulus. Considering every time I play an arranged match where someone uses regulus, I switch to erebus and they immediately switch their pick. Wonder why?

The thread says Regulus is imbalanced late game. I posted a strategy to eliminate regulus as a factor. Several others suggested nearly the same thing; Using UB/Erebus, or both. But, we all know you've tried it and are still here discussing changes to the game, rather than strategy. Those are not useful thoughts, just a regression of the game.

I do my job, bashing any threads that needlessly discuss changing the game where skill is not factored into the equation.

Okay then. As shitty as it is, it was just a shitty, random pantheon match that can't be controlled. However, for a team pantheon to function, the balance can't revolve solely around pantheon, rather it has to trickle down. There are just too many random factors in the current pantheon right now that can skew how the items and skills play out. For the sake of balanced play in higher competitive levels without the massive polarized levels of skill in playing with pugs, you should wait for the team pantheon to come out and play with some friends. That's pretty much what mindset im translating into this thread. 

As for this match, you pretty much got paired up with a random person against two random people. It's really hard to judge the balance when skill levels vary greatly. When you base the balance off of this, it throws the extremes higher and lower. Nerf something for the sake of the normal pantheon, and the best players wont be so ridiculous, but decent players will fall flat. Buff something, and the best players will explode. Nerf something in a team pantheon...no one uses it. Buff something in a team pantheon, #1 played in every setup. See how it doesn't really translate well? In a team pantheon setting, the skill levels will probably be more evened out, when really good teams fight really good teams. Now, if regulus were to dominate in that match with said items, then there IS probably something wrong with the balance, when both TRULY balanced sides have an IMBALANCE in the game. At that point, it'd be safe to look into the artifacts and how they affect regulus.

However...we aren't at that point yet...

Ack, fought against a Reg with this combo yesterday. The game had progressed to our citadel, we'd turned it around (giants on both sides) and pushed it back all the way to their citadel, though we missed the artifact flag... and then their Reg got Ashkandor (one of our players had been feeding them throughout, it was only a matter of time).

He pushed back the creep swarm while his teammates were both dead and wiped us out pretty much on his own.