Star Trek: Voyager is a good show. » Forum Post by simithmike

NCC 1701 is also a Starfleet ship .

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Quoting Spooky,

Those weren't different ships. The Excelsior hat the registration number NX-2000, because of its experimental transwarp drive. Experimental ships always have NX. Once the transwarp project failed, the Excelsior became NCC-2000, with the conversion to normal warp drive, in 2287. Captain Sulu took command over the Excelsior in 2290.

No, i was talking about the "different" configurations in Undiscovered Country & Voyager's Flashback. Same ship & registry reference and yet not similar at all. Exact Stardates for the purpose of events taking place but Sulu is or looks "older". That sort of weirdness.

Even the Relativity is quite variable as shown in its multiple timelines.

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What exactly was different? I found that particular Voyager Episode pretty cool and was quite satisfied about how they accurately linked the scenes from ST:VI and this episode together.

Of course Sulu looks a bit older, but how do you suggest to circumvent that, when you want to make such an episode . Besides, in my opinion he didn't really look older, just a bit different. And that's ok for the purpose of such an episode. Everything else, the ship the bridge and most of the other actors were the same.

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Quoting Zyxpsilon,

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The registration number always stayed the same for ships of the same name. The different incarnations with other classes are depicted by the letter.
Okay, how do you explain Capt. Sulu, Styles & Tuvok two different Excelsior (NX & NCC-2000), then?

Time_shift or purposely renumbered?

NX is also the class of Ship that Enterprise and Colubmia are.

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What exactly was different?

Since you're asking!

Pay attention to some details... however hard Paramount tried to reproduce the "situation", it wasn't possible to be THAT perfect!

Sure... it IS pushing it a little -- even Janeway was integrated in Tuvok's "memories"!

It's one of those weird factoids about Trek that "Cannon" people can actually detect if they look hard enough. Not being one of them exaggerating fans myself, two different NCC-2000_Excelsiors are still not the same!

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I hope you are joking .

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I *am* joking!!

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Getting upset about cannon mistakes is asking for high blood pressure, because Trek is soooo full of them. Just watch the Youtube videos that catch a lot of them. One minute Chakotay is a vegetarian, the next he's not, etc. Just search Youtube for Star Trek Mistakes. There's a 5 part series showing all the faults in the cannon.

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Star Trek: Voyager is a good show. Almost as good as the best example of Star Trek, that is, in my opinion, Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Star Treck: Voyager DVD, like other Star Treks, is a science fiction show with a heavy component based on drama. In my opinion, the science fiction elements are just the start engine and the spice used to create a developed stage to show the watcher how human behave in certain situations, like betrayal, love, prejudice, quest for power and many more. Some characters are good, but unfortunately they are only the minority. And the doctor is too hard to believe, despite I think he is the best character in the show.
Overall the episode quality is good, but there are some episodes that drop the quality solidly. Unfortunately they are a good part of the show.
Star Treck: Voyager series isn't the best Star Trek, but it is one that is faithful to its origin. And one that is fun to watch.

Voyager was not only the worst Star Trek ever, it was some of the dumbest sci-fi I've ever seen. Janeway was an incompetent moron of a Captain and the crew should have mutinied on her dozens of times. Every episode she needlessly put her crew in mortal danger to advance an ideal of moral superiority. Half the time she'd have her own crew suffer or die to protect an enemy. Some captain.

Voyager was absolutely the dumbest show ever produced under the Start Trek brand.

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Well, everyone has a right for opinion however biased it may seem.

By any measures, the DS9 Klingons were a spin-off try of TNG which in turn was a Spock turned into Data streams of NX-01 which in turn was a First Contact enhancement over details and historical limits of NCC-1701 which in turn was a Scotty resurection off a Dyson sphere of TNG which in turn -- keep going.

But none reached Ocampa faster than Voyager & Maquis crews.

Janeway made much more valid decisions than Kirk, Picard & Sisko combined.

Her goal was clear in scientific terms (gap the vast distance by all and any means necessary), at least.

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Quoting Zyxpsilon,

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Well, everyone has a right for opinion however biased it may seem.

By any measures, the DS9 Klingons were a spin-off try of TNG which in turn was a Spock turned into Data streams of NX-01 which in turn was a First Contact enhancement over details and historical limits of NCC-1701 which in turn was a Scotty resurection off a Dyson sphere of TNG which in turn -- keep going.

But none reached Ocampa faster than Voyager & Maquis crews.

Janeway made much more valid decisions than Kirk, Picard & Sisko combined.

Her goal was clear in scientific terms (gap the vast distance by all and any means necessary), at least.

That's ridiculous. Kirk's crew and ship always came first. I've seen Janeway sacrifice her crew's lives to protect a deadly alien, and discipline members of her crew for saving the ship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prey_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

This was a recurring theme of that stupid show. Janeway would make insane decisions that put her crew and entire ship at risk in order to protect their enemies. She was the most unrealistic, arrogant, politically motivated character ever written into the Star Trek series. There's no way she'd last 2 weeks with a real crew of living beings. She'd be mutinied on and thrown into the airlock by any sane officer.

Comparing her escapades with the other captains in Star Trek history is absurd. Everyone else had something going for them aside from insane political viewpoints.

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There's no way she'd last 2 weeks with a real crew of living beings. She'd be mutinied on and thrown into the airlock by any sane officer.

Err, you are comparing it like it's a real ship in our time. This is Star Trek we are talking about. Janeway simply executed Starfleet Protocol and the ideals of the Federation. Maybe to an extreme from your point of view, yes. But in the Star Trek universe, no Starfleet Office would consider it insane. You are handling the theme as if it was Battlestar Galactica.

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-- Pig skin, NOW you owe me!

I believe Shrans enduring term for Archer was "PINK Skin" not pig! Unless you were attempting to be Jocular....

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Her goal was clear in scientific terms (gap the vast distance by all and any means necessary), at least.

chromeweasel, what is it in the above statement you don't get?

Defeating the entire Borg, outwitting them right from a hub and knocking it off the radars while on their ways back Home? Leaving behind a trail of deaths (please do count the crew that made it too.) and Delta quadrant "races" with fears of the UFP ever returning there even if by accident again.

They all stepped on her little toe one time too many. Kazons, Malons, Hirogens, the list is long - fill it. Sci-Fi, the unknown, the unexpected.

She even made some friends; Kes' 10,000LYs jump.

That ride was not a battle against the Dominion (although there was a Reptilian race somewhere), Cardassians (Seska, the traitor), Klingons (Torres, anyone?) or Romulans (although two very tricky episodes refer to them). It was get there, in ONE piece.

Oh... btw, mutiny was addressed extensively in that serie.

Want to contradict? Arm yourself as much as the Equinox's captain failed attempt at a questionable shortcut against StarFleet most fundamental principles.

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Quoting John Hughes,

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-- Pig skin, NOW you owe me!
I believe Shrans enduring term for Archer was "PINK Skin" not pig! Unless you were attempting to be Jocular....

Lemme get that DVD for a minute... yep, that's what i heard too *Pink* -- at times. That's how much vocal tricks that great actor could do. Besides, under that sort_of light blue paint job anyone would have trouble finding the proper tone.

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Want to contradict? Arm yourself as much as the Equinox's captain failed attempt at a questionable shortcut against StarFleet most fundamental principles.

Indeed. There are also lots of other episodes where Janeway simply goes "mad" and forgets her Starfleet/Federation principles.

Particularly in Equinox you can watch how she turns more and more into Captain Ransom and Captain Ransom into Janeway.

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psychoak

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The difference between Janeway and the other captains is that when the shit hits the fan, they say to hell with the rules and do what's neccessary, she goes batshit insane and tries to get everyone killed by following them when they're obviously wrong.

Until the end of the series, when she violates every rule in the book and takes advanced technology into the past...

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Exactly WHY i enjoyed Voyager more than some other series, they dared (as in writers) challenging conventional thinking.

The entertainment broke some limits, it was balanced enough to enforce ME into questioning rules & regulations or dramatic enough to posit a context that needed an open-mind for comprehension.

The stakes were too high even for Janeway. As proven by the Shuttles count, the endless supply of torpedoes and what else. Who cares, it's not the steps it's the road.

The variety in that seven years is no small feat either; i won't go through every last episodes but my interest grew rather than degrade in a good chunk... got confused maybe once a year by some "tricky" stuff -- Warp-10, holodecks crew reunions, etc.

All the rest was pure Science and struggles.

Abram's Star Trek better have an extremely solid storyline to match the Intrepid class adventures.

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I like the klingon because their ships can roll in and down for battle, I hoping that the kilngons in the mod would do that, what would be sick also is to see the nebula class do the same

while we are on the subject of the nebula class, which one do you think was created first. the nebula class or the galaxy, i think in Memory Alpha it say that the Galaxy class starship spawn the nebula, on other sites it says different. My personal opinion is that the galaxy spawn the nebula and that they use the parts from the galaxy model to built the nebula class

and has anyone watched how william shanter change the world?

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Quoting Mooster,

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while we are on the subject of the nebula class, which one do you think was created first. the nebula class or the galaxy, i think in Memory Alpha it say that the Galaxy class starship spawn the nebula, on other sites it says different. My personal opinion is that the galaxy spawn the nebula and that they use the parts from the galaxy model to built the nebula class

Hard to say, they were both developed around the same time.

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Quoting Mooster,

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I like the klingon because their ships can roll in and down for battle, I hoping that the kilngons in the mod would do that, what would be sick also is to see the nebula class do the same

while we are on the subject of the nebula class, which one do you think was created first. the nebula class or the galaxy, i think in Memory Alpha it say that the Galaxy class starship spawn the nebula, on other sites it says different. My personal opinion is that the galaxy spawn the nebula and that they use the parts from the galaxy model to built the nebula class

and has anyone watched how william shanter change the world?

I did. Yesterday was a rerun for me. I had saw it a few months back if I recall. Pretty neat documentary.

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It was soooo great to see Tim Russ again without the pointed Vulcan ears on the bridge of the Excelsiorish_Entreprise_B in Generations on TeeVee tonight.

Funny how cable opportunistic stations try to cash in on Abrams' Star Trek release.

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It'S true Space Channel is showing all 10 movies days after days since last week.

I only watched three of them. Khan, Undiscovered country, and First contact. The rest is ok but those three are the best for me in order.

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Wrath of Khan (Vengeance in a duel), Nemesis(Scimitar & cloning), TMP(Against Star Wars IV), Generations(Nexus ribbon), First Contact (Warp One), Search for Spock (Christopher Lloyd - get out of there!), Voyage Home (Solar induced time loop), Insurrection (Genocide), Undiscovered Country (Law in diplomatic terms), Final Frontier (God knows where or why).

I doubt any fans (or anybody else, btw) would put Abram's Star Trek anywhere else but waaaayyyyy first on an updated list. Prequel "concept" or not.

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BlackSmokeDMax

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Quoting Raider1988,

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Just struck me as weird they decided to sorta undercut the original 1701 that started the franchise. I mean if theres a Enterprise prior to the 1701, than the whole naming system is thrown off for the other shows, the original ship should have been 1701-A, and so on. Sorta nit-pick but it bothered me.

Interesting factoid about the name though, thanks for that

The initial letters were different also. On Enterprise (the show) the ship name started with NX rather than NCC, I'm assuming the NX was probably meaning experimental. which to me, makes perfect sense.

As to the poll going on:

1. TOS - While cheesy now, it was ground-breaking then and you know, nostalgia kicks in pretty hard.

2. TNG - While the crew is not my favorite, this show was just so well put together.

3. Ent - Some really bad decisions were made that put it this low for me, it had very good potential. As another poster stated earlier, if they would have just stayed closer to the basics, it would have been much better. The intro music... ugh, I had to mute everytime I started watching, that crap literally made me want to break something.

4. DS9 - This one should probably be higher, I just couldn't get taken in with it. It's the only series I have seen well under half the episodes.

5. Voy - Watched all the episodes, but at the end I was thinking "just end this so I can stop watching." Not sure what kept me coming back, must have been a small flare of OCD or something. Liked the premise, Janeway was alright, there was just something off about the show, not counting the deborging of the Borg, that was complete crap. 7of9 was decent window dressing, but her story was about as uncompelling as could be.

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