Unbeatable 3 vs 3 stratagy :D

My friends and I were playing a custom game the other day, and we all decided to play Unclean Beast.  Needless to say, every time we saw an enemy demigod we just combined spit and they were pretty much dead unless they happened to get a teleport off or use a potion.  Eventually, we managed to basically corner the enemy in their base, killing them as they came with a volley of spit for each demigod, and retreating when they came close.  Eventually, they all just quit, we were all level 11 and they had two level 5s and one level 6.

We tried this against, you know, good players who knew how to stun and such, but using focus-fire we were able to kill them pretty easily, and they couldn't hide from spit forever.

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Reply #2 Top

I was actually wondering if spit from 2 UB's stacked... i guess it does

Reply #4 Top

I've done a similar strategy.  It works, but I think it's cheap.  It prevents the enemy from doing anything and forces them to stay away from you the entire game.  It's very easy to do a hit and run with the UB, but very hard to counter such an attack, especially when done 3 times in a row.  I try to avoid such strategies unless I'm cornered :)

Bara

Reply #5 Top

Proud of what?  I'm just pointing out that it's very easy to take advantage of duel demigods of the same type in custom games.  People do it all the time with Rooks (for tower spamming) and TBs, I'm not sure why you felt like you had to post such a sarcastic reply.

And yeah, spit stacks with UB.  My personal choice in 1 vs 1 with UB is to go for spell cooldown items, because it stacks with ONE UB too!  You can pull off some insane damage that way.  For instance, if you have spit down to a 4 second cd and you use it every time 4 seconds is up, you'll basically do (assuming you have it at the 1500 mark) about 2300 damage with the extra time, and you'll get an extra two seconds if you cast it 3 times in a fight to pile up even more.

Reply #6 Top

anyone with a dispel will completely nullify your strategy, be that oak with shield or Sedna with his heal or someone with orb of defiance et cetera.

Also if you all three are on one lane then you lose map control and waste 50% of the XP you get from reinforcements.

Reply #7 Top

Quoting TheBigOne, reply 6
anyone with a dispel will completely nullify your strategy, be that oak with shield or Sedna with his heal or someone with orb of defiance et cetera.

Also if you all three are on one lane then you lose map control and waste 50% of the XP you get from reinforcements.

Since UBs are so fast the only time we left flags was to gank up on demigods we knew we could kill.  This strat completely obleterates early game at least, and at this point there's no way they can counter it.  And not every demigod will be able to get rid of spit, and even then they won't be able to keep up with 3 UBs chasing them and spitting.  You can use the early game domination to push to the max and corner them in their base, giving you complete map control, access to creeps, and demigods that will die if they try to come out and play.

Reply #8 Top

Also the dispell favor item for 600 stops spit in its tracks I am not afraid of 3 spitting beasts I will take up your challenge my team of 3 vs your 3 UB's I bet I win.

Reply #10 Top

Quoting TheBigOne, reply 6
anyone with a dispel will completely nullify your strategy, be that oak with shield or Sedna with his heal or someone with orb of defiance et cetera.

Also if you all three are on one lane then you lose map control and waste 50% of the XP you get from reinforcements.

 

Though this is true, the time the enemy spends spawning has to be considered.  Odds are pretty good this strategy is going to be hard to beat.  Sure Oak/whomever can dismiss the first volley but a wise team will simply spit randomly to ensure he is hit with 1 or 2.

I'm not a fan of 3x anything but also understand the weaknesses are compounded 3x as well.

Reply #11 Top

Favour items are not automatically in the game.

Three spit is very deadly, so you need to play very defensively when confronted with it.  On the flip side, as mentoined, if they're all on one lane you control the other lanes by default.  Mind you, that's not a big help on Crucible.

Reply #12 Top

Probably works great on crucible

Some counters

3 snipes out of spit range

3 pounces + 3 heals on spit target

3 Bites + 1 mists (target)

 

This works when you want to rape noobs, but will not help you develop a stragety to get better at the game.  Play the way you want but this sort of "stragety" ruins the game for new players.

 

Reply #14 Top

My personal choice in 1 vs 1 with UB is to go for spell cooldown items, because it stacks with ONE UB too

is this confirmed? i had the impression that this was not so.

Reply #16 Top

Quoting Aroddo, reply 13
isn't there a consumable that ends debuffs ?

The tooltip says it doesn't affect DGs.

Reply #17 Top

Quoting GunslingerBara, reply 4
I've done a similar strategy.  It works, but I think it's cheap.  It prevents the enemy from doing anything and forces them to stay away from you the entire game.  It's very easy to do a hit and run with the UB, but very hard to counter such an attack, especially when done 3 times in a row.  I try to avoid such strategies unless I'm cornered

Bara
That doesn't stop people in my experience.

Reply #18 Top

Can we have some more details about your testing here?  You say three friends.  Were you all in voice contact with each other?  I assume you were playing a custom game.  Was the other team pre-organised and in communication with each other?

 

I think 3v1 demigod ganks are just about always going to be a powerful strategy, but unless you've tested it over 3-5 games against another team of 3 demigod players who all know each other and have a strategy prepared in advanced I'm not sure if you can draw many conclusions

Reply #19 Top

I would be interested to see what others think are a good combination of demigods in 2v2 or 3v3.

I was involved in the losing end of a 3v3 in which the opposing side were a highly efficient 2 UB and one Senda. Senda's inner grace made the other 2 UB move like lightning, among other things.

Reply #20 Top

Quoting SubtleSalmon, reply 14

My personal choice in 1 vs 1 with UB is to go for spell cooldown items, because it stacks with ONE UB too
is this confirmed? i had the impression that this was not so.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't but I can check real quick.

@citizen Inner grace is only for sedna.. inner beast is for UB.

EDIT: Yeah spits from a single UB do stack, good to know.

Reply #21 Top

Thanks Xinoxlx for the correct :P That's why I'm interested to see what others think are good combinations of demigods - i.e. which demigod(s) would complement well another demigod. :)

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Quoting Xinoxlx, reply 20

@citizen Inner grace is only for sedna.. inner beast is for UB.

I think he's talking about Healing Wind, although it only increases the health regen of allies around her, not move speed.

Reply #23 Top

Quoting JagerJack, reply 22

I think he's talking about Healing Wind, although it only increases the health regen of allies around her, not move speed.

Oh my lord, imagine if Sedna had a +move speed aura that stacked with other sedna auras, I can see much hilarity coming from that, a pack of sednas flying around the map, but if anyone falls behind they can never catch up, LOLS!

Reply #24 Top

Quoting Bodegus, reply 12
Probably works great on crucible

Some counters

3 snipes out of spit range

3 pounces + 3 heals on spit target

3 Bites + 1 mists (target)

 

This works when you want to rape noobs, but will not help you develop a stragety to get better at the game.  Play the way you want but this sort of "stragety" ruins the game for new players.

 

Yes there are at least two items that fix this.. one is the item that give immunity for 5 seconds the other is a cheapie one off consumable..

Reply #25 Top

(I thought I posted a reply but I guess it didn't show up XD)

"Can we have some more details about your testing here?  You say three friends.  Were you all in voice contact with each other?  I assume you were playing a custom game.  Was the other team pre-organised and in communication with each other?"

We were all in constant communication, I don't know about the other team.   What our plan was is if we saw a demigod, for everyone to drop what they were doing, use the ammy of teleportation, and basically kill him before he had a chance to blink.  Then we'd just go back to our lanes.  We played about 5 games and won every single one, getting 4 or 5 demi kills a game near the beginning of the match.  Basically, there's counters yeah, but it's hard to actually get those that early in the game.  By time you've gotten counters, we've either cornered you in your base and cost you the game, or we've used the extra income to buy some sweet armor to make your counters not even matter.  (Besides spit, UB is great at chasing fleeing demigods with diseased claws and such, with 3 UBs focus firing you hardly need spit anyway, it just gets it done faster)

Basically, by the time you've gotten counters, it doesn't matter anymore.  We've buffed ourselves enough to either end the game right then and there or great gear to buff health/weapon damage to simply auto attack you to death with a combination of diseased claws to slow you down and foul grasp to halt you.  Granted, we'll still spit, but mostly to get you to waste mana and money getting rid of it, and even with counters and items you can't get rid of it forever, spit recharges in like four seconds.

Btw, spit does stack, I've tested it completely and others have "Tested" it on me.  :D