Why I beleive Regulus is broken

No regulus is pretty OP right now. I mean Double regulus is fairly retarded. I'd like to see the cooldown on snipe pushed to like 30 seconds or so.

In addition there is absolutely no way to beat reg in pantheon zikurat. He can just save up for artifact and boom. If i get a decent reg player on the other team i just say "sorry this map is stupid vs reg" and leave.

That brings me to the fact that he is the best person in the game to take down towers. You can't leave reg alone. If you do he has a tower down in about 25 arrows. It's a bit silly. No other class can take down towers without taking any damage.

Winning half the time doesn't make something overpowered.  Far from it

Wrong. TB can using either Rain of Ice or Fireball.

Generals can use their minions.

Agreed. A 50% victory rate against regulus is exactly average. And if you think it's just because you're challenging bad players...maybe you're not as good as you thought? I have no more trouble with Reguli than any other Demi, tbh (except TB, who's usually a pushover)

With Sedna, regu is pretty easy to play. Rush him and jump : all the time he will be try go use mine on you so you will interupt them.

And with the passive speed and the good item you will follow him and kill him.

For the mine some eyes can be buy for 50 gold it's very easy to see all the important point with them...

And snipe : don't back. When you see he begin to snipe, turn over, rush him. (the spell make higher damage when you'r away).

I find beast more overpowerd than regu anyway... Try to survive when you"r stunt 2 second with his fuc*** poisonous and all the team who attack you.

Oh come on you little attention wh*re: There already is a thread about regulus being OP due to his mines, you really could have just posted your piece there.

As for what you said: its plain wrong. You might not be the biggest noob ever, but you are clearly lacking perspective. You talk about skill, half of which i never even use, as the games never get that far..

I rarely have a problem with other reguluses, but quite frankly, im not running arund with less than 3k HP either. If you ignore HP mid/late game, then yea.. auto attack, mines and even snipe can be deadly.. then again, any decent player will have 4-6k HP around level 10, so even if you eat all 6 mines you will survive with more than enough to endure even a snipe.

Nah.. your analysis completely ignores the fact, that skills cost skill points and that you cant have everything of what you described there.

Mine, snipe, motb, miam.. thats 8 points until level10 just from mines and snipe alone, add tracking device at lvl5, and you already used 9 points out of 10. Now the remaining point could go to either motb, or miam, or range, or fury, ONE LEVEL OF ONE SKILL FROM THOSE FOUR.

Sure, past level 10, you get extra points with which to make your build more colorful, but even then.. we are talking about 11 total points you will have at level 20.. and if you are a decent player with decent teammates playing against decent opponents, most games will be decided well before you hit lvl20. I usually finish my games between levels 12 and 15.

So what exactly are you talking about when you say, that having all those skills on one character is OP? Noone will have all those skills.. maybe at or near level 20, but you need a very balanced set of players to get there and then the game will be decided by team tactics and not individual demigods.

@RainFall2112:
"No regulus is pretty OP right now. I mean Double regulus is fairly retarded. I'd like to see the cooldown on snipe pushed to like 30 seconds or so."

Huhh? double anything is fairly retarded.. double rook - 16 towers. double torchbearer - 5-6000 HP burst damage from abilities. double regulus - 12 mines and/or 2 snipes. double sedna - twice the heal.. double QoT - permashielding. double UB - 2000DPS. (before item procs)

Really the only demigods i dont find OP in multiples are the erebus and oak. In fact i do believe those are a tad weak compared to the others. Then we didnt even talk about the non double combos that can be seen as OP: sedna + QoT?

So yea.. lets nerf regulus, because two of them can dominate a game.

As a Regulus player:

- Get in my face, and I'll have to run. Because most everyone knows this, I pretty much have to have speed items, or I can't run and I die.

- When I'm running, I can't really stop to do anything or you'll catch me and, again, I die.

- My mines are only half useful - there are items that make them visible, and one of them is incredibly cheap (50 gold). If people knew how to use them, my mines would be a lot less effective. Right now my mines serve a similar purpose to Rook's towers - I can hide behind them and if you don't see them, you'll walk through them to get to me.

- Be smart with your interrupts, and I'll be screwed. A lot of people use their interrupt skill early when I'm not trying to do anything. I take damage, but I can still run. If you interrupt when I'm trying to throw mines, I'll be screwed because then I'm left with auto-attack.

- Don't run when you're low enough that a snipe will kill you. If you must, buy those really cheap near-instant health potions. When you see me kneel for a snipe, chug one quickly and keep running. If you didn't start running at 100 hp (at which point I'd just chase you and auto-attack kill you), you'll live.

Regulus has too many weaknesses to be considered overpowered (not counting stacking several, which is really true for any Demigod), a lot of people just don't know how to use them.

You're wrong about the mana. Start up a game, drop a few mines, snipe a couple of times, and then see how much mana you have left.

What you're missing is that Regulus is fast enough to move back, tap HoL, get his mana back, and be right back in the fight a moment later. The HoL nerf will be rough on mine/snipe spam.

No offense but HOL is a really bad item on reg.  Most regs I know go right to mageslayer and use Serpent for mana.  Even if you don't go serpent one or two mana items and your all set.  The goal with reg is to get slows, attack speed, and dmg.  Lifesteal keeps you in the game, and mines give you an opportunity to retreat.  HOL for it's cost and what reg would be using it for is completly useless.  I think HOL nerf will affect just about every hero more then it will Reg, whereas something like a Mageslayer nerf would be devastating to Reg and not so much to many other heroes.

I thni kthat ability with 3% chance for 0.4 secs stund is gay atm and should be buffed

If you're doing an angelic fury/auto attack type Reg then serpent is nice and since you're burning less mana it will keep you topped off. If you're doing a mine/snipe/mark Reg (the one OP seems to be complaining about) serpent isn't so great since you're burning far more mana and serpent (at least last time I tried it) doesn't give mana for mine damage.

Edit: Deleted for stupidity.

Is thinking before replying so hard? Reg gets it @ level 2 with a base ability every tree gets. You have to spend gold on minions that is not easy to come across in pantheon 2v2.  Also TB fireball has a  cooldown and his mana pool/regen is generally underpowered in the game. They are nowhere near as viable as regulus' "set it and forget it" tower destroying ability.

@RainFall2112:
"No regulus is pretty OP right now. I mean Double regulus is fairly retarded. I'd like to see the cooldown on snipe pushed to like 30 seconds or so."

Huhh? double anything is fairly retarded.. double rook - 16 towers. double torchbearer - 5-6000 HP burst damage from abilities. double regulus - 12 mines and/or 2 snipes. double sedna - twice the heal.. double QoT - permashielding. double UB - 2000DPS. (before item procs)

Really the only demigods i dont find OP in multiples are the erebus and oak. In fact i do believe those are a tad weak compared to the others. Then we didnt even talk about the non double combos that can be seen as OP: sedna + QoT?

So yea.. lets nerf regulus, because two of them can dominate a game.[/quote]

Another poster whose brain is broken.  Double Rook isnt OP except on certain maps that have a single choke point. They are just too slow and counterable and have no way to put pressure on you. The same goes with double sedna or Double Qot. Sure you cant kill them but they can never kill you so you can sacrifice HP for +dmg and get towers down fast with attk speed, dmg and crit. 

Double reg is retarded.  The amount of pressure and unlimited mana(with favor items) means they can wear you down far too quickly.  They can do 2000+ dmg per cooldown and it doesnt regen that fast.  They can force you to constantly run back to the base.

As the poster said reg is not mana dependant with the right favor items. Even with mines. You have full mana every 45 seconds.

I was going to come in and beat the shit out of these arguments but I say RainFall2112 did a pretty good job himself although there are a few things I would like to adress:

csebal

Nah.. your analysis completely ignores the fact, that skills cost skill points and that you cant have everything of what you described there.

I would have to disgree because I personally, many times have had all those debuffs stacked on me at one time during midgame, (10 - 15). Dont tell he cant have all those things.

Raknor

Wrong. TB can using either Rain of Ice or Fireball.

Generals can use their minions.

The difference is that those things cost mana. Even if QoT uses her bramble sheild it still costs mana. It doesnt cost Regulus a damn thing to down towers, not health, not mana, not anything.

Also one thing I'd like to note that isnt totally a reason Reg is OP but is just a tad bit annoying. In any non-Reg game you can creep and attack demis, run away and stock up at your base at your leisure. In a Reg game, youre basically not allowed to be a 50% health or lower even inside your own base contemplating items to buy or base upgrades or maybe even restoring your damn health because you'll just get your damn face sniped off. So many people including myself have died at the health crystal. Just a minor rant but come on, thats just a little nervracking isnt it? Its like a stalker or slasher fic murderer; you never when youre gunna get sniped. Every confrontation you engage in is basically against two people. The person youre fighting and Reg's pwnbullet.

That is all.

I have to 2nd the mines priming time..it is absolutlely assanine that he can Throw mines like granades, If this indeed intent they should renamed to sticky bombs.  A Mine should be set, (he should phsycially need to stand on the spot he setting them), and setting themine sould take a time..not this instant toss bs.  As far as snipe is concerned..I can deal with it, but I must admit snipe+Goggles ..I have a very hard time dealing with that combo.

Just a word. Things look promising in 1.1. The mines seem easier to avoid and mana regen overall seems better. Might be my imagination but theres always hope.

Yeah reg doesn't seem as overpowered before because priests offset alot of what he can do. With priests in the game htey can't just plink plink plink you down like before.

how bout we don't nerf reg and say we did?

i got an idea, lets give his angel mode a speed boost, genious right?

Regulus's auto attack takes down rook towers slower than he puts them up. If you're gonna spend all day shooting towers down i'm sure you'll lose.

Regulus's strength is not mark, nor snipe.. it's max range + maim. Makes you either run early or be chased down or take the fight to him which you can't .. since regulus is standing at his tower with mines at his feet. You chase people away.. poke towers, lock flags and run to the other side of the map and repeat. Then you win with war rank.

If you're winning with snipe or simply throwing mines at people's feet.. your opponents are just not very good.

There is only one thing that I think is OP about Regulus. It's their mines:

- They're doing lot of damages, over quite a vast area, and they're slowing you down. Indeed it's easy to avoid them with the 50g item, or with some thinking, but you CAN'T avoid them if you are fighting in a melee 3v3 (for example). If a Regulus drops its mines in this kind of melee, you can be SURE that his side will win. I do not even talk of me playing a carrier DG and therefore, it's killing all my mobs (but it has an advantage as I can set off the mines with a single mob). Mines in 1v1 are not that dangerous, but in team they're really OPed in my opinion (with a melee DG with you).

- They are uber area effect weapon. It can kill a full wave of creeps (or player controlled mobs) in a single shot. Who said that Regulus doesn't play well against creeps ?

- They can kill towers, if ennemy creeps are passing near the "targeted" tower. Launch the mines, wait and go another way, and boom: no more tower (OK Regulus don't even need that as they can hit the tower with auto-attack without being hit).

As I am not used to whine without proposing a solution, here it is: set a count down timer to the mines in order that they can be triggered off only let's say 3 or 5 seconds after being launched (currently it's only maybe one second, it it exists). I would also advise to lower the damage and the area of effect at low levels (OR shift the mines tree to higher levels OR increase the cast time).

Just to add a possible solution to what I just wrote : make it possible that, IF the mines explode (if an ennemy walks on it), then they will hit team mates as well if they're in range. It will introduce a little strategy to the use of this skill. 

ROFL at the people saying "regulus isn't mana dependent" - you clearly have not ever played regulus.  Regulus is extremely mana dependent in ALL forms - Mark of the betrayer is expensive, mines are expensive, snipe is expensive, wings costs mana at ALL times.  I usually have to go scaled helm / vlemish faceguard / hungarling's crown VERY early on, and even then I am having to port back to base all the time to regen more mana.

If you think he isn't mana dependant you are in denial or you are a complete moron.

Umm X Demigod is not overpowered because you owned people or people owned you...Regulus is powerful in the right hands just like everyone else is. Sure Snipe seems OP at first but now a days I hardly run into Regulus's who use Snipe. They all go with the Angelic Fury spped debuff builds.

If Snipe was location targeted and not Demigod targeted, you'd miss EVER time with that kind of cast time.

Mines are really easy to deal with once you figure them out. If you're a General send a minion to die, if your an assassin, let creeps step on them. Although a longer prox time once they are set may not be too bad.

Mark of the Betrayer, I don't really like that it'll stay on you forever until you use a skill, but if you pay attention its easy enough to trigger it when you're safe.