its amazing how, as soon as people mention the word hon and dota, people on these forums go spastic. it is quiet retarded, and disappointing.

I have tried DotA a multiple amount of times. It was not enjoyable.
1. There are lots of little annoying, skilless minigames you must play. Denying Creeps, Last hitting...
2. The community is pathetic. Never want to play in a game with a community like that.
3. 100 heroes or so? I am not going to spend half a year learning all the heroes and their spells/builds. Just no. Social Life > Gamng Life.
4. Recipes/too many items - Again, takes far too long to learn/memorize all of these. One thing I liked about HoN was how they made it easier to use recipes.
5. Im pretty sure 100 heroes are balanced a lot worst then Demigod's 8.

I think its pretty lame aswell to take DotA, re-do a near exact clone (add some more online features?) and then start charging peopel for it. Dont really wanna support that.

 

 

truth, this game runs at 30% speed.

 

sorry i was playing HON, no crashes/ no server drops. Taking my time up pretty nice.

Well, I really really didn't want to enter this thread >.< but I have poor self control.  I hate these threads and don't want to feed the trolls BUT:

B-DalzK its a very very daunting learning curve getting up to date on the items and heroes in dota/hon, I completely agree.  I held of learning them well after my friends tried to get me to give it a go.  However, the balance is surprisingly good considering it is just a dota clone (openly, and with frogboy's permission, mind you) which has been in continual flux and balance for years.  It is still a starting block for it to move forward from.  Much the same as DG is now.

Also, the argument of demigod is not dota/hon they're so different is old, and has lost all weight with me.  It's a last straw attempt to excuse the comparisons that leave demigod looking a little barren.  Are they exactly the same? No. Is it monumentally different?  No. Does the comparison bother me?  No.  I like the strategic nature of towers/cit upgrades in DG (a lot), I like the selfish nature of HoN also.  Ultimately, they still play remarkably similar and anyone trying to separate them as much as what happens regularly on these boards are really, really kidding themselves.

A rose by any other name... Quit acting like it's such a tragedy to be a descendant of dota.  I still adore DG and HoN.

this is a topic which consists of biased players...

 

You mean, Demigod is for people who cant bother with having the camera mashing your face to the ground, the graphics being from the 1980s and just a pure DoTA Allstars clone. Some people want something new every now and then.

Hon gamespeed is faster, that combined with the fact you cant watch both your back and front at the same time makes people belive it has more "action" and as such brings up a false sence of "skill" when its really all about forcing the game mechanics to allow you to play.

HoN is more a fight vs the stupid camera then its a fight against other players.

I don't envy HoN's gameplay, but I sure do envy its features.

demigods gameplay is indeed far better then hon. but demigod has done everything that every other mp-game has WRONG. the worst mp-infrastructure of any mü-game ever, nearly all standard mp-features missing even now after many month they are still missing what any other title already has in beta. worst network programming i ever have seen. even some of my students could have done it better.

 

technically dg is a total fail, greatest mp-title fail ever. one of best gameplays for years. it's simply SAD!

BE WARNED !!!

 

HON NOOB GAMES ACTUALLY CONTAIN PROS WHO JOIN THE NOOB GAMES FOR THERE PRESCIOUS STATS!!!!! 6/6 GAMES THIS HAPPENED TO ME AND I WAS ON THE RECIVING END

If you want a real mans game, play LoL

As for Demigod dead.... Yes...

Sigh

Time for my input

Heros of Newerth looks interesting. I might play it but if it becomes too difficult to learn I wont bother as I really like DG just now and can live with the internet problems

Secondly Sabre your post was both uninteresting and un-neccesary. You had no reason to come on here and rip DG as you did while going on about another game with very valid reason for doing so and in such a stupid 12 year old styled argument

Finally

Fail

Its called playing online. Pros play noob games to kick noob ass

Live with it

Heroes of Newerth is just boring, I played the beta and when you got a game that last over 30+ minutes it gets really boring, because there is nothing to do other than killing creeps and killing heroes.

sarebroman - you make it sound like demigod crashes on you 24/7. i havent had a crash in the game in ages, and it was very rare for a crash to occur for me.but you alrdy no where i stand on the developer side of things ...

 

I'm curious as to how Demigod's gameplay is "better" than HoN/DotA's. Is it because it's much slower? Is it because there's no depth or strategy (yay HP stacking and flag locks). Is it because the skill cap is ridiculously low by comparison? A checkers/chess arguments seems rather valid here. Also note that "the heroes and items are too hard to learn" and "the camera is limited" are not arguments for bad gameplay, they are arguments for your own shittyness.

Also a lot of people here don't seem to realize what proper high level dota/hon is like, thus I recommend watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPOcz5Qovfs#t=3m9s

demigod is interesting and fresh, thus many purchased it like me, sarebroman is just venting because he bought demigod but did not actually enjoy multiplayer. p2p sucks! nuff said, will never buy p2p games again

it is because there is mayn times more strategy and different thigns todo then in HON. HON is only creeps killing and itemizeation. dg has this plus citadel upgrades, flag control with different boni. even the heros themself i find much more interesting than the hon ones (as i heared they are an exact copy of dota).

 

dota was for me very boring and simple.dg isn't for genius made but it adds some new elements that dota/hon don't have and make them at least for me very boring and too simple. the stupiest example for that is that dg does not resync within a second if a desync occurese. it is sooooooooo damn simple! really bad programming!

 

edit @the above poster: it is not the p2p system that fucked up the network code of dg! inf act most rts np games use p2p system even if you didn't knew that. for scuh games it is the best system if well programmed what it isn't in case of dg.

This thread will get locked. However, I have to say that I never played DOTA, played Demigod first and now play HoN.

 

The games are similar and I would side that Demigod is like the light version compared to the full fat of HoN\DOTA.

 

Demigod is a strategy game, HoN is a tactics game.

 

Personally, I am glad I played Demigod as it introduced me to the genre. However, personally for me, HoN is the better game. It does require a lot more skill than Demigod, I have put in about as many hours on both games. Demigod, I know my way around, nothing surprises me, I can be outplayed but I know why. HoN I am still a complete n00b, the game is fast and exciting, skills have to fired off quickly and you need good awareness.

 

I think it is fair to say, that to become a good Demigod player is not as hard as being a good HoN player. Also, HoN is a lot more balanced on team makeup. There are no big problems of PUG vs Pick-up, because A) the community is huge (compare 250 current open lobbies to 1), a good player can carry a team of bad players and C) games are always played in 5v5 not 3v3. Demigod does suffer from a lot more from one bad team member syndrome.

 

The argument that balance is out of whack in DOTA\HoN is not true, all heroes are useful, yes there is tiering, but it is no different to the fact that Queen of Thorns in this game is lower tier compared to Unclean Beast.

 

I think Stardock did the best they could with the game and it was a risk. I am guessing it paid off for them, however, likely not as much as they would like. I also believe that Demigod was unlikely to succeed competivively, no matter what was done for it. There is a section of the community that do not like micro, however, nearly all successful competitive games are micro intensive (or have "mini-game" elements), that is what the large majority of hardcore gamer want to have so they can seperate themselves from the crowd. If it only takes a few months to become pro, people will get bored. If it takes years and years of practice it will keep people hooked.

 

This is true across all genres, Starcraft, CounterStrike, Streetfighter IV etc. All have elements where in depth knowledge is needed and the ability to be able to micro can make a large difference.

StAcK3D_ActR is making me hate Dave Grohl

sigh .... this topic is as bad as Guild Wars vs. World of Warcraft

HoN and DotA are so exactly alike that their names are interchangeable.

Other than that, if you ask me to give a review, I could only say that HoTaN is a lot more about microing and Demigod is a lot more about strategy and teamplay. In short, play DoNaT if you're competitive, Demigod if you're casual.

This game is destined to fail. I bought it early on and just forgot about it.  Lack of heroes, usable maps, MP , speed, strategy, balance. This game had its chance now its a failure EOS. HON FTW

Also note, this statement is the result of shit spewing out your mouth.

Limiting mechanics/interface for the game to increase the skill ceiling is simply bull. HoN had a large zoom out in its early stages, and they took it out in orded to increase the skill ceiling. Why dont we also take away health bars - im sure that would make the game harder to play aswell!

And having a ridiciously high barrier of entry IS a valid arguement. I do not want to spend a fuck load of time memorizing builds/heroes/combinations/recipes just so I have a chance.

This game has made Stardock a decent amount of profit. It sold more than Sins (I think, yes?) and there is usually 1500-2500 people online. Its a bit late to say that it will fail if it has already passed

WAIT! up to here i could follow you but the conclusion to the above

makes absolutly no sense. strategy and teamplay is for casuals? and microing is for the "real" gamers? wtf?

btw. what the hell do you have mor to micro in dota more than in dg. you control only one hero that's all! you have (what was it) 4 spells to activate and items.

It's funny, before Demigod came out, GPG were saying their idea is not DotA, and all the DotA fans are screaming OMGWTF this is ripping off DotA how dare you. Then when it comes out, it's not as much like DotA as all the fans were screaming about, and all the DotA fans get all pissy that DG != DotA. Then HoN comes along and all the DotA fans are screaming, LOL FU DG HoN = DotA.

 

I can't wait until HoN is released and all the DotA/HoN fans fuck off and actually play the game they care about, and leave DG in peace.

I couldn't really see much in that video, spell effects everywhere and a lot of blur...

The whole "DG is for people who fail at DotA" argument amuses me, because the entire MOBA genre is a simplified version of standard RTS, where the required APM and skill ceiling is far higher. So DG is easier to play than DotA? DotA is easier than DoW2, which is easier than Starcraft/WC3.

So is DotA for people who failed at Starcraft? Why can't you control more than a handful of units at a time? Aren't you good enough? Can't you handle managing an economy while you control units?

Silly thread.