Prove to me DA can be competitive-

I've seen DA rape an entire team before but anys first it was QoT bow its Da. I got 10 bucks say the next demigod people will  say can't play competitively is occulus.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1124190/player/11216/

Make sure you have some good melee character teammates.

Make sure you level fast with DA. Thats why I use Wrath as favor.

This game has some sweet swap, roll, pent., Hammer, Warp strike, and Spine

I will see if I have this replay.

Any character can be good it depends on combinations.

Demon Assassin isn't competitive?

Demigod isn't competitive either, so seems like a moot point to me.

He's not competitive even if your "big 3" aren't around. That said, it all depends on players skill, i can make him competitive if an opposing team of noobs let me level him up enough and get gold to buy narmoth's and whatnot.

But, in actual competitive games? Don't choose him, you're loosing that game from the start.

Sorry to say HorseRadish, but I don't think those players are pro enough to make this a competitive comparison. Of course the DA can beat other players if they are less skilled. The question is if he can compete in high level pre arranged teams. You'll rarely see Reg/Tb/QoT in such games either, I suppose.

I already have said that. It's true.

But DA i've seen rape entire teams too. He is a support character until level 20 when he has 8k health and is hitting with just melee 500 dps against heavily armored DG's. Thats with feed but in competative games it's harder to escape than to kill because you go down so fast.

I really wasn't going to get into this, but competitive or not killing isn't the neither main nor only way to win in this game and nor will it ever be. If you just want kills Than go Ub , LE or Oak. If killing was the only way to win; than queen of thorns should have 0 win percent period. This isn't a single player game, but it's a team game which the team that cooperates better together is the one who will more likely to win and DA is one of the few demigods who require and work best with that cooperation. If you warp on a UB or Erebus without someone you know can back you up or without any at all. I am sorry but you deserve to die (I am talking both in game and general for those who will want to get technical about this.) That's really all there is to it, you can come up with any kind of excuse to why he won't work, but even though I haven't been posting on the matter. Majority of the arguments I have seen has placed his abilities in a 1 on 1 demigod situation which is something he is not equipped to handle.

Edit made it easier to read

DA isnt like Beast, LE or a health stacked oak,

DA is a support Demigod, he is like a inbetween of oak and TB.

DA should hang about out of range, waiting for mistakes, whilst grinding down opponents. he is not good at lane control, but if a DG makes a mistake he is in there.

synnworld is right, kills is not the only way to win a games.

If orcun comes back, and choose's to play DA, then we shall see some real skill with him ( see orcuns Reg )

I am too for the fact that DA needs a buff. He may be a support character but that doesnt mean they should be completely useless in all other aspects.

Also why should he be able to hold his own against the big 3. There are 10 demigods. Keep him scalled with the other 6. Don't be selfish and bring him up to the top demigods just because you want to massacre. He actually is very balanced in comparason to other demigods.

Repeat. He can't get kills easily on his own. This isn't the only way to win. I've seen DA's with no kills massacre people.

As synn said demigod is a TEAM GAME. If you don't get a kill with DA it's probally cause his allies were better than yours or your own fault.

Arguing that DA is less good than the top 3 is not the same as arguing that he's not competitive.  Few people would argue that he's as good as the top3, but many can argue that he's just as good as the second tier.  Personally, in a "competitive" or "high skilled" game (whatever that really means) where I want to win, I rather be DA than TB, Sed, or Reg.

I'd just go QoT and out live everyone.

With what? Bramble? Mulch? 

Let me add: DA is enormously OP, although he has only one viable build which is getting no passives and stacking warps. But with this build, DA is SICK. A tier 1 demigod and DA can kill a sedna at her tower, seriously.

Makes builds that don't emphasize Spine sorta crazy, imo

I've probably lost more games with DA than I've won at this point, but I've never been the feeder.  The problem with DA is he can't help you much if you are over-exposed in a 1v3 gank.  No Shield, no charm, etc. and swap will only take one guy out of the fight for 3 seconds or so, unless you are piggybacking their port.  

DA is great, as long as no one one your team is over-extending

i just wanna direct some ppl to my mod tweaking DA's skills... ive listed the changes there but id realy like for ppl to actually test them in the game. im serious about his balancing so im hoping that others will spend a little time in helping me in this balancing process.

Go to the mod thread here

lol you are completely wrong

thats not how to play DA, he is a melee without stun/slow means the best way is NOT going as melee dps

its a support/nuker and that way its ok, depending on game settings

i think its good WITH some good combo but since i didnt play many pro games recently i cant go into a lot of details

the point is DA makes possible kills otherwise impossible cause of

1) great burst

2) change position of enemy

3) easiness to chase the faster demigods

apart from that burst/combo he is squishy and being melee is also pretty useless in the distance/kiting around flags/turrets fights

but kills matter and so i think with a stunner+slower it makes a good combo

You do realize shadow swap stuns right?

You simply give kills too much credit than they simply need. the Thing is when you enter melee, no wait you shouldn't enter melee anyways unless there is another melee supporting you. I don't even enter melee or warp (other than shadow) if I am by a tower alone and enemies is right there.

Its about getting in and getting out.

Synn i know it stuns. But you try interrupting something with a 1 second cast with another 1 second ability. Plus if you use it jsut to interrupt a fireball then you probally aren't using him correctly.

I agree with your second part synn.

He is meant to wear down the enemy and then burst finish them. Burst in sustain burst out. Still the nuke is in their but the sustained DPS with the fact that his speed can be brought up with his skills to a very high number means he can chase with his sustained DPS and then be able to chase with abilities. You jump in on a half health UB do 2k burst then sustain 500 dps while chasing them. Even with sigil of vitality all you do is stop shadow swap and they are dead because you burst them again and continue chasing. High health pool plus high mana pool (you don't need regen jut mana which makes it so you may only need 1 or 2 mana items) plus sustained dps towers won't kill you a running demigod won't kill you. You practically get the kill every time.

The greatest problem is the fact he has little to no mana regentive properties, especially for being a mana dependent demi. I would make one of his passive abilities eithera mana regentive one or make shadow strike steal mana from enemy demigod.

in fact i specified its good in combo with others

no its fine

if he actually had mana to waste to spam nonstop skills he would be OP

Blade of the Serpent....

SWAP IS OP. God, 15/20/25 range? Swap, UB stuns, spit(ooze), spine, AA, warp dead. THis is practically uncounterable cept for not engaging at all. This means just the threat of ganks make him a good pusher.