PUBs are not competitive play. Your argument is invalid.

In Dota it is dangerous for the user, but in Demigod where the guy with a swap also gets a warp it certainly isn't.

You are just arguing something you don't like simple as that. If you don't like it than avoid it.

I gotta agree with lifekatana. The fact that you spend less then a second at the spot you swapped to does kind of kill the danger.

and so...?

we were talking about pro games i thought...

DA just fits well into those

the the problem in fact is that you arent ALWAYS swapping from neutral place to safe place under turret/middle of 4 allies

sometimes you just swap in less good places, and DA doesnt have very good escaping abilities since he cant get the passives(or not focus on those) while lets say UB get passive speed and even stats as high prio

What? DA gives your team ungodly ganking power. That to me is enough.

My point being swap is just as flawed as it is powerful.

in fact i explained many times in this and other thread why DA is pretty good, and a viable option, just not OP

Team work is OP

well... maybe beast is just a bit.

You hit the nail on the head there lifkatana

and its not true you can AT LEAST come in the same exact place you were while your opponent often cant or has problem to do it

you can even jump in another place lets say 2 opponents chase your mate, you exchange a dangerous opponent and then dont go back where you could be ganked but jump on a creep to run away

you can use it as simple interrupt

there are many uses without risk or with just so many pro and few cons

OFC sometimes you are in a team fight and you have to open exchanging some opponent while his mates are ready to jump and pwn you

To the second one.

Ok if two opponents are jumping you, it won't matter which you exchange with, because you are still in a suicidal position. I'm guessing what you have in mind is if they are coming at you from two different directions, because if you switch with one enemy when both are coming from the same direction. You are literally putting yourself beside the other. On that note if you allowed yourself to get trapped between two different players and it's a 3 v3 or higher pro game, than their is more than likely there is a third just a a bitin the mist coming your way; from the direction of your teams side.So you shouldn't have even got yourself in such a position in the first place.

To the third

Interrupt what? Only thing I have ever seen swap interrupt was a teleport and even than it got Da killed because he ended up right next to my by my teams crystal.... That was a good day to play.

interrupt ports and locks and robust potions if needed.

DA is competitive, he is soon going to get to the top tier area, sorry to say, but i can rape an entire team with lifesteal and some blinky moves, up his attack speed to as fast as it gets, upgrade his armor/hp/attack, and bring it, my and my brother, we played on a local match, and not soon after i got the all-fathers ring, i started getting the mage slayer, unmaker, and other things because of his aspeed bieng retardedly fast, get him precision 4, and the multidemon abilities that link up, and bam! Super retarded fast atacking ninja thing.

I have rarely seen any none noobs even use potions, and I have yet to see it interupt a lock.

Yeah except when you swap and instantly warp strike back which basically completely negated teh danger and just allowed you a second shot at killing them. No flaws are in there with warp stike thrown in.

If he has no mana regentative properties then you stack mana high and use mana potions problem fixed. You gank get the kill ust a potion and you gained moey.

I've seen this too many times. He ganks up his money than uses his passives and passive crits in combo with the good items such as ashkander and you easily are doing 500 dps with just AA and whenever they try to get away swap warp strike and spine theres 2.6k damage and you can CONTINUE hitting that target. Plus towers can't break you if you are doing 500 dps and 10% of that is lifestolen and you have 60% armor with 7k health. Like to see towers kill you let alone another demigod before you get the kill. If you can't escape out keep a teleport scroll and a sigil of vitality.

Wait, DA is dangerous when he has All-Fathers, mage slayer, unmaker, and ashkandor? No, really? If you think the fact that having all those items made DA ownage in that game, then you have no idea what a normal game looks like.

I don't personally know whether or not DA is competitive, shadow swap seems like it could be very good in a (mic) team, but I haven't seen it yet. Of course, if it does end up being an effective ganking tool, that will only make LE even more powerful since he can counter it fairly directly.

In a long game, which DA excells at, he easily could get 2 or 3 of those items. It wouldn't be that hard expecially because how easily he ganks people. In 5 on 5 he is an absolute beast at getting kills that otherwise wouldn't have been got and with reg it's just unfair.

I'd like to see a TB or QoT with those items go up against DA. That would be hilarious because they would get mauled so bad. It's the ability to stack items that makes someone good not their items themselves.

Oh my god, OP DA with Ashkandor and Mage Slayer.....

A DA with 7k HP, 60% armor, 500 DPS  AND 10% lifesteal? WTF are you talking about guys? What are you high on?

The highest i've got him is 6k HP late game near lvl15 with ALL HP stacked items and NO HELMET: banded armor, unbreakable boots, nimoths, hauberk and narmoth's ring. That is over 9k in gear, so u cant invest at citadel at all, and using BotS as a favor for Mana regeneration, so your with 0 mana half of the time.

FFS You guys don't even know lifesteal doesnt work on towers!!!!!!!! Because structures are LIFELESS, you know?

Seriously guys, stop playing DA against AI or "your brother" with "Filthy Rich" gold, and actually try to play with him in a real online multiplayer match, you'll see how hard is to play him competitively.

Sigh.....

DA needs a buff.

i think that concludes the argument here...

A lot of demigods need a buff (at least 4) but not even close to enough people care to get a ballance mod working or to get gpg/stardock to attempt to get better ballance.

Maybe in Jan enough people might get sick of the bad ballance to make a mod that might be used in 5 percent of games (and thats me thinking positive). I tried for a ballance mod and got 1 comment about my changes (said they were bad).

Just dont play DA unless it is vs fire TB and reg teams (and then you can do what you like and still win, for anyone who want to comment on that this is not the thread and im not completely serious).

id be willing to help u nzac with ur balancing mods. ive tried to balance out DA as much i can in comparison to all other demis. while doing that ive changed a few things here and there for other demis like Qot and Sedna. We should get in game more often and discuss these things (even through r2p if ur willing).

My other main concern is bringing generals' minions importance up.

ive looked at ur balancing thread and found it a lil overwhelming, coz there were many changes. Thats why i havent actually gone into it as of yet. i think we should take it 1 or 2 demis at a time and collaborate from there (and then move on to other demis).

PM me and tell me what you think we should do.

DA CAN be useful....

Replay: http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=102726

Yea like george washington carver needed brain surgery.