Demigod - what's next?

Clearing things up

Okay, I've been reading a lot of different interpretations of forum comments that I or mods have made on the release of Oculus (which officially was announced today).

First, I want to give a big hand to Gas Powered Games who did an incredible job on Oculus. He is amazing! Make sure you read up on his story which you can view by clicking on the arrow button in the Demigod selection screen by his portrait.

As was the case with Demon Assassin, Gas Powered Games didn't take the easy way out. They could probably have gotten away with just reskinning existing Demigods with a mix of powers and called it a day.  But they didn't. In both cases, they made sure they got new and interesting abilities that add strategic depth to the game.

The Demon Assassin's swap ability is just killer (often literally). Oculus's chain lightning is extremely fun.

Second, I want to address some of the flame wars that came up on the forum. As some of you know, in order to release Oculus we had to release an update to Demigod. That update included directions on how to add him to your account manually.  In hindsight, that shouldn't have been put in the release notes but rather simply waited until he was officially announced.

The confusion some users had in trying to add him to their account prior to the web page being updated created considerable angst on all sides.  The original idea was to have a store page where users would "buy" him for $0 in order to determine the level of interest in DLC content that may not always be free.

However, it was decided that we would just let users add him to their Demigod account by logging into multiplayer (after that, they can play him SP as well).  We can, with that, still determine the number of active users there are to determine what opportunities there may be in the future.

Third, with regards to future DLC, as I said previously, these two Demigods are the two promised free demigods. They represent the last two free ones Stardock will be paying to have developed. Future content in the form of maps or demigods would have to be paid for.  On in other words, we ponied up to have GPG make these two, but future ones have to be paid for by players if it is determined there's a sufficient market for them.  I realize some people are upset and clearly the easier path is to just not say anything but part of what makes Stardock what it is is that we try to be transparent on such things.

Fourth, As the North American publisher of Demigod (Atari is the worldwide retail publisher of Demigod other than NA), we will continue to forward to GPG all player requests, problem reports, etc.

Fifth, It is our intention to lobby to have player created mods integrated into the game for future updates to choose from.  There have been some outstanding tweaks and changes made to the game by players that we would really like to see in the game but the ultimate decision goes with the owner of the game -- Gas Powered Games.  But having worked with them for over a year now, I can say that GPG is very customer focused and so I don't foresee any issues there.

So go have fun! I'll see you online.

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Thanks Brad! Most of the community appreciates all that SD does! I'll keep my fingers crossed for mod inclusion and maybe some purchasable maps in the future.

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Thanks for clearing things up.  Great post, very reflective, honest, and insightful.

 

I for one would love more maps and Demigonds and would LOVE to pay for quality content like occulus and DA.  More than anything a few more 2v2 or 3v3 maps are needed.  I know many other would be willing to pay for this DLC, as well.  Thanks again brad, and don't believe that the few, vocal malcontents speak for us all.

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I think the first DLC should be a new 3v3 map!

Actually I think the next 10 DLC's should be 3v3 maps...

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I'd pay for you to remove Cataract.

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They could probably have gotten away with just reskinning existing Demigods with a mix of powers and called it a day. But they didn't. In both cases, they made sure they got new and interesting abilities that add strategic depth to the game.

Excellent point. 

Brad - is 1.3 (clan wars) still in the roadmap or is this more or less where the game will stay with the exception of potential DLC?  I know there was talk about 1.3, but I, for one, would like to know if that's still something we can expect.  Thanks!

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Speaking of transparency... can you tell us how much it costs to have a demigod or map made by GPG?

The community is full of smart people that will surely find ways to pony up the money for GPG.

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I think most people realise that new content can't be free. I don't mind paying to expand the game one bit (tell GPG to crack on with it, $'s waiting). This is my favourite game of the past ten years alongside C&C Renegade.

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Thanksfor everything SD!

 

Any idea when a decision will be made on whether its economic for more content? I personally would be happy to pay for new characters / maps / features etc

 

 

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As was the case with Demon Assassin, Gas Powered Games didn't take the easy way out. They could probably have gotten away with just reskinning existing Demigods with a mix of powers and called it a day. But they didn't. In both cases, they made sure they got new and interesting abilities that add strategic depth to the game.

Yes, yes, yes!!  I"m incredibly impressed with the quality of these two new additions. 

 

In hindsight, that shouldn't have been put in the release notes but rather simply waited until he was officially announced.

The confusion some users had in trying to add him to their account prior to the web page being updated created considerable angst on all sides.

YES!  Thank you for acknowledging this.  It is hugely appreciated.

we ponied up to have GPG make these two, but future ones have to be paid for by players if it is determined there's a sufficient market for them.
 

Thank you!  It's pretty awesome that you did this.

 

future ones have to be paid for by players if it is determined there's a sufficient market for them.

I would totally pay for any additional content to Demigod you see fit to add.  The quality of the work is outstanding, and  I am happy to purchase it in any quantity that is convenient for you.   The thing that concerns me is the haphazard development schedule.  I understand you're just telling us about your best guess, but if your best guess is so frequently wrong it's frustrating for the end user, and makes you look bad.  Transparency is great... but it doesn't help anyone to tell us about development schedules that are completely off the wall.

 

Anyway, this is probably the best post Frogboy has made in ages.  Thank you!!  I'm glad to continue giving you my money.

 

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I'm just about to spend some cash on other games from impulse as a thank-you for the 2 free demi gods!

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I'd pay to play with Queen of thorns Sisters!

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This bothers me. I'm willing to pay, but I don't buy online or use credit, cash only. Somehow I doubt we will be able to purchase updates in stores :(

Also, an expansion would be much more economically viable for you guys, and beneficial to the existing community. If DG2 came out with working servers and nine balanced demigods, a lot more people would be willing to give it a try. 

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Damn it frogboy, tell GPG to enable characters to interrupt an oak (Should they have a stun ofc) through his shield of any level.

Thanks for the new gods and all, but I still can't comprehend how after testing the developers didn't notice how Oculus's brain storm doesn't get rid of negative effects till 15 even though the description speaks of negative stats removing at 5.

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This is really great to hear.  I am among those who would be willing to pay for DLC.  I do wonder how much 1 map or 1 DG would cost the end-user to buy though...

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Quoting ThatGuyYouLove, reply 13
Damn it frogboy, tell GPG to enable characters to interrupt an oak (Should they have a stun ofc) through his shield of any level.

Thanks for the new gods and all, but I still can't comprehend how after testing the developers didn't notice how Oculus's brain storm doesn't get rid of negative effects till 15 even though the description speaks of negative stats removing at 5.

You can interrupt an Oak porting away ;)

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i like the new version. now i would really like to see some afford being spend on the remaining issues that bother us a lot like the crashing lobby and the minion spawn health bug.

i guess i would pay for additional maps but not for other demigods.

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So go have fun! I'll see you online.

 
When!? Where!? I need to know!

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Future content in the form of maps or demigods would have to be paid for.  On in other words, we ponied up to have GPG make these two, but future ones have to be paid for by players if it is determined there's a sufficient market for them.  I realize some people are upset and clearly the easier path is to just not say anything but part of what makes Stardock what it is is that we try to be transparent on such things.

Again I ask, why are expansion packs so taboo? Let's take Sins of a Solar Empire as a prime example, seeing as you (Stardock) also publish the game. The new micro-expansion, Diplomacy, has not been released yet, however I have seen it on Impulse's best selling games of the week on several different occasions. I shall say this again - a game that is only available for pre-order, a game that theoretically DOES NOT exist is selling quite well. Also take a look at the recent indie deal of Overgrowth and Natural Selection 2. People are absolutely willing to pay for games that technically and theoretically don't exist in order to fund the development of the projects. I know I put down my money down.

What you have here Brad is a dedicated community for Demigod. It is we the community that have created AI mods, unofficial bug fixes and even a match randomizing tool. It is we the community who continue to keep this game alive despite Gas Powered and even to an extent, Stardock itself, seemingly abandoning the game.

In another thread Brad (which has since been nuked), you clearly stated there are no finances nor will (could even say no desire) to create a full blown expansion pack or even to an extent a micro-expansion, yet you have every intention of nickel and diming your fans for insignificant updates. I also find it extremely odd (and to a point hilarious) as to how much back-peddling you've made in your recent statements. First, it was 'NO CONTENT FOR YOU', now it's 'ok, we will do content but YOU have to pay for it'. I would even go so far to say that because you Brad, and I suppose the rest of Stardock, are so focused on the idea of insignificant DLC updates that you cannot see every other potential strategy out there.

Can you see where I'm going with this? Create a micro-expansion or even a full blown expansion pack, and start getting some pre-order funds. I'm sure this community is absolutely willing to put their money down to fund development of such a pack and even test it to make sure it is the best it could possibly be. Even those who are pro-DLC would not turn their back on the idea of an expansion pack as they still get content, hell, even MORE content than paying $5 for one Demigod.

In fact, I am a man of my word. If you do decide to create such a pack, I can guarantee that I will be the first man there to put my money where my mouth is and pre-order it the moment it's available. Yet, as you clearly stated in the other thread Brad, you have no will nor desire to create an expansion pack, and as such, I have no will nor desire to fund future projects.

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TBH, if they make an expansion worth of 20-30$ with 3 more playable 3v3 maps and 4 new demigods, I'd preorder it to help them out, and I'm sure many other will :)

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In another thread Brad (which has since been nuked), you clearly stated there are no finances nor will(could even say no desire) to create a full blown expansion pack or even to an extent a micro-expansion, yet you have every intention of nickel and diming your fans for insignificant updates. I also find it extremely odd (and to a point hilarious) as to how much back-peddling you've made in your recent statements. First, it was 'NO CONTENT FOR YOU', now it's 'ok, we will do content but YOU have to pay for it'. I would even go so far to say that because you Brad, and I suppose the rest of Stardock, are so focused on the idea of insignificant DLC updates that you cannot see every other potential strategy out there.

We're not saying there will be additional content free or otherwise.

We'll measure how many users have actually downloaded the update and enabled Oculus (by logging in to multiplayer) to measure the actual base.  Forum posts aren't a good measurement.

We're not focused on insignificant DLC updates or otherwise. It's simply a matter of cost.  A full blown expansion costs $X. A micro expansion costs $Y and DLC costs $Z.  

Reply #21 Top

Ugh, can kolonel_klink stop posting already. Though well spoken, his posts are becoming repetitious. We get it, you don't like nickels and dimes; full expansions are the shiz-nit. Drop it already. 


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Quoting kolonel_klink, reply 18
In fact, I am a man of my word. If you do decide to create such a pack, I can guarantee that I will be the first man there to put my money where my mouth is and pre-order it the moment it's available. Yet, as you clearly stated in the other thread Brad, you have no will nor desire to create an expansion pack, and as such, I have no will nor desire to fund future projects.
This.

@Brad; i'm dissapointed that you nuked that other thread.  Its no point running away from the reality of what people think of the current situation regarding this product.  The sentiment of what was written in there (especially by Ferazel) well summarized the situation for most of us.  Maybe too many people were starting to agree with him (at least partially) hence the thread was nuked?   Deleting such threads does not change people's minds, it just annoys them all the more because they feel their legitimate complaints are being met with arrogance.

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Again I ask, why are expansion packs so taboo?

Again I say, most people prefer Dlc packs...

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Quoting Sacrificial_Soul, reply 21
Ugh, can kolonel_klink stop posting already. Though well spoken, his posts are becoming repetitious. We get it, you don't like nickels and dimes; full expansions are the shiz-nit. Drop it already. 



 

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

 

Great reply. Thanks Brad for clearing things up. This needs to either get stickied or put in the journals section so it doesn't get lost in the swarm.

 

Jorune

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@Brad; i'm dissapointed that you nuked that other thread.  Its no point running away from the reality of what people think of the current situation regarding this product.  The sentiment of what was written in there (especially by Ferazel) well summarized the situation for most of us.  Maybe too many people were starting to agree with him (at least partially) hence the thread was nuked?   Deleting such threads does not change people's minds, it just annoys them all the more because they feel their legitimate complaints are being met with arrogance.

I think you give me too much credit on moderation. :)

Regarding whether a given user or group of users is satisfied with the state of Demigod or not, that is an issue users would have to bring up with GPG.  

Demigod is a good game. We are satisfied where it is at. Certainly, I have my own list of pet peeves (Oak needs to be able to be interuptable when shielded comes to mind). But in terms of the general stability of the game it is as stable as any other game I play -- YMMV.  

We do send reports to GPG that people send us as well as consolidate posts and send them to GPG for evaluation but ultimately it is their game.