BotS can be used for spit spamming. Make sure you hit towers with it frequently if you use bots. Every time it's off of cooldown. BotF makes you much stronger and lets you ooze longer. If you get bots, don't get a helm. If you get BotF, I suggest: banded armor, vlemish helm (or plenor on leviathan), nimoth armor, unbreakable boots, and hauberk of life. Unbreakables are the best item in the game, nimoth gives you a ton of armor, hauberk will give you just a bit more health. Narmoth's ring is a nice thing to have if you have the money, but don't get it over giants or currency.

No one. The Unclean Beast has an excellent early game. You will devastate TB and Regulus. Oculus, QoT, and sometimes LE will be the only characters near your strength in the early game.

You ask your general teammates to send you a monk. If you have no general teammates, buy priests ASAP and push hard. A monk will make you much more effective because of ooze.

crap.. just lost what I was writing.

Anyway.. the big thing here is that it really depends on who you are facing, including the build.  For example, hybrid is no good against a combo like sedna, erabus, oak (all melee, all have ways to remove spit easily).  But, assuming you're against a combo where spit will be good:

First purchase should be a helm in nearly all cases.  But which one?  Are you spitting occasionally on someone who doesnt have a monk but is just sitting behind the tower?  Are you spitting occasionally on a tower but can't run up and hit it due to someone cowering behind it?  Then get vlemish.  Are you saving your mana until a sure battle and going until someone walks away with very little hp?  Then get plenor.  Next purchase should almost always be unbreakable boots.  After that nimoth chestplate.  Sometimes I'll get boots of speed at this point, other times I'll save for a Narmoth Ring (4000g).  Maybe a Hauberk of life.  meh.

Around level 7, you should ALWAYS have a sigil / teleport on you.  Save your grasps for interrupts, to help your teammates catch up, or to prevent someone from shielding / sigiling until their death (i.e. 2 of you are beating on a qot.  Spit on her, attack and wait for her shield to drop, then grasp and spit again to break the grasp and continue attacking.  This allows the most damage possible before she reshields).  Other good uses are if you think someone will run away, you spit then grasp right before you think they will run and spit again.

If you don't get a monk from a general, start crying immediately.  I know I do every single time.  This post is taking forever while I hop in and out of games.  Sooo that's it for now

Lol at people who think 800 hp is better then infinite mana...

Not to mention bots gives u back 1 or sometimes 2 slots you would normally use to put helms in for hp and armor stacking or 1 hp item and 1 speed item.

Bots beast is weaker early game and need to be more carefull but at lvl 7 when botf beast will go shop to get 2nd helmet i will be wearing my 3rd armor and that 800 hp gap will be lowered to 200hp, but i will also have infinite mana

There is really no point comparing those two

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You are not competive player. I see no reason to discuss with you advanced builds/strategies.

You get raped out there is you think UB dosnt need mana.

Blade of the serpent beast dubles their damage compared to botf. I can spit 3-4 times and grasp 2 times my target before thanks to it. I can destroy tower at lvl 2 if I have empty line without going back to crystal afterwards.

At level 10 2 extra spits equals 3000 damage + you get double grasp (instant 2 second long stun). Not to mention all items I have are HP items. Banned, 1500 boots, 1500 armor, Namroth ring, Groffin warplate or gridle of giants if gold allows.

To synworld:
How would f..n sedna benefit from Bots is she got no freakin AOE (except lvl 10 heal which is pathethic). Same goes to ereb (you will get little more mana than what u spendent on batswarm to kill creeps, mist dosnt allow to be healed or recive mana).

Now when I spit on you walk back a little then put my ooze on spit on you again then grasp, breake my grasp with bots I get full mana back especially when there are creeps or minions around. Now I can again spit twice and grasp. And only speed stacking or 'stunning and porting' is able to save you.

off topic - if you have firefox, get the lazarus add in.  If posts disappear for whatever reason, this add in saves what you posted so its not gone forever

on topic -

pros to botf ub

• no micromangement required for the favor item (1 click = health bonus entire game)
  
• higher hp gives you greater durability the entire game

pros to bots ub

• you can spam spit over and over (which means towers drop faster and you can damage other dg's more easily if you can kite successfully)
• you don't necessarily need to puchase ANY mana items for your character (but probably should get a helm - imo anyway)

I'm a pretty old hand with ub and I side firmly on the BOTF UB.  In pretty much all versions of my build, I devote exactly 1 helm to mana and I find that to be quite adequate.  So, the other side is that, depending on your play style (and I'm talking about a ub build that maxes spit and ooze), you don't need infinite mana.  The extra health actually makes a nice difference to me.  And remember, in 3v3's the target is usally the most squishy chracter (eg the 1 with the lowest hp or that dies that fastest).  My ub typically has the most hp and is the most durable, so I can typically wail on anyone that prioritized my teammate instead of me. 

irek... yes... GRATS YOU WILL WIN 1v1.  I heard that's the only scenario possible.  At least you sure seem to be saying that.

anything higher and 1 helm + unbreakables is sufficient mana to win a battle.  You also lose the benefit early game for holding a lane.  Sooo the other team can capitalize on WS, get extra gold from currency first, maybe push a tower down, have a decent lead going into midgame, etc.  Not saying BOTS is worthless, just that BOTF is not nearly as worthless as you're making it out to be.

*sigh*

Beast players.

[Oh and I see how it makes more sense for a damn reg to be able to get it instead of a oc or queen.[/quote]

You don't play assassins. Your opinion is invalidated by lack of expierence.

Second, mines don't work with BotS which greatly decreases the reason that he would get it.

From levels 1-6, BotF is stronger. From level 7+, BotS is stronger. I always go BotS. While you won't be able to hold flags in the early game, I find that levels 1-6 comprise smaller portion of the game than levels 7+.

and if the game ever gets to 15+, well the items at that point if I remember correctly offer idk 1000+ hp/armor? So each slot you use for a helm allows BOTS to crush you in battles health and mana wise...

... that's exact OPPOSITE of what I said

that's more in line with what I said though : )