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Help with Beast

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Help with Beast

from Demigod Forums

Hey all,

I'm looking for some strategy help with beast.  I've reviewed the guides and forum posts across the board and have tried out a few different builds, but I've never really been very good with him.  I hold my own, but he's not the flat out killing machine that he is whenever I seem to go against him.

On background, I'm a mid player with a about 150 games in.  I've put some study in but I still make some dumb mistakes.  I mainly play sedna and le.  When I use beast, I've been using the following build...

Level:

1 - Spit

2 - Ooze

3 - Save

4 - Spit and Ooze

5 - Foul Grasp

... (There's notihing genius here...you get the idea)

Anyway, in addition to the general advice, here are some basic questions. 

  • Is BOTS still considered viable for beast or are most going BOTF?
  • What are some reccomended gear choices in using each of the above favor items?
  • What are some basic do's and don't specific to beast? Not build based...there's enough of that on the forum already, but this kind of stuff...

                 Tough early opponents to avoid/get help on?

                 What to do when you don't have a general sparing a monk for you?

                 Prime level when you are most likely ahead of the competition (I think the current rationale is around level 10)

Thanks in advance to any constructive responses.

      

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Here is my 2 cents.  I am an average player and only play pickup games, so advanced guys will have better advice.

I have tried BOTF and BOTS builds with ooze, spit and hybrid.

With BOTS i was unstoppable and pretty much marched around like I owned the place, got to the Citadel in record time, had tons of early kills with infinite spits and foul graps.  However that was only against noobs.  Against good players, i was crushed, i had no staying power and my life would just evaporate.   If I had a better team, that worked together, that might make it work and be worthwhile or if was better myself.

Here is what the problem is.  Against good players, you never get a 1 on 1 and if you do, they run away.  And good players are usually fast as hell too.  They can get away from you and you can't get away from them.  Good players also port and gank.

With BOTF i was also slow and mana starved in addition, sure i could stay alive a little longer but was even worse off.  I felt like an immobile tower just waiting to get killed.

Unless you are on a team with good players and who are aware, you must take the Swift Anklet, otherwise you are rolling the dice.  You have to be able to get away when a 2nd DG shows up and chase down one that is fleeing you or your teamate.  You can't count on ports cause it will get interupted by good players.

Anyway, i noticed that i win a lot more with Swift.  If i had a premade team, i would use BOTS.   I pickup the swift anklet, and even then sometimes other DGs will be faster, so i might get the boots too.

 

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

Swift anklet is for noob games only.  If you are having trouble running away, realize that it's avoidable.  When the enemy ports on you, you can see the blue port animation.  If you can't handle that person porting in, start running when you see it.  If the other team has a character like erebus who can port in, batswarm to you, and stun you so the person you're running away from can catch up, then you need to not fight on enemy flags against people you can't dominate.  If you run behind enemy towers, expect to be ported on and ganked.  If you run behind 2 enemy flags and 3 towers, expect to die.

 

Bottom line:  Learn how to survive w/out swift anklet.  It's possible.  

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

You could always be a rebel and go OOOOZEEEE Beast with no spit and walk around with 9k hp late game like me :)

But I wouldn't recommend it because its a rediculously hard build to pull off.

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

BoTS beast starts out a bit weaker from a ruggedness perspective, and is harder to stay in lane vs good players early on (nothing more infuriating then being full of mana, but not having the life to use it safely)... but this is solved with a few items and then the never ending spit wins out over BoTF beast.

Alot of people say take only 1 mana item for BoTS beast so you have enough mana pool between BoTS recharges, but I say take nature's rec, it gives you the necessary mana to your pool to really be spammy with plenor and..... UB has high auto attack, so it procs like a mofo in battle, especially if you catch the lucky break from attacking at the right angle and get the same bug that effects QoT (where you attack once every 1/2 second because you are the right distance to stutter your animation against a slower target). I am certain there is a bug where Nature's Rec procs repeatedly as long as your next attack begins before the 1st proc ends, because sometimes it goes off 10 times in a row when I do my little jig. Some people cannot believe they die in 5 seconds. :D "OMG artifacts?!!!!" Ermmm no! :D

example best item load out and order of purchase:
Banded
Unbreakable
Plenor (really, more mana pool is better for BoTS beast, since you fill up on ooze, which is a mana free skill,  This is not like TB who need to fire off a mana costing spell to refill, where the regen from vlemish is better)
Hauberk (really, ooze makes armor rather redundant, but the higher life and regen is nice, and you saved 250 getting plenor anyway)
Option: Maybe a life item, but I like Nature's Rec 

Hell.. even I mess up and buy Vlemish and Nimoth sometimes as these items are usually the better choice, but when you look at it like the above, Plenor and Huaberk are all around better for BoTS beast.

So, considering BoTF beast will probably want two helms to enjoy all the benefits spit and foul grap offers (hehe), you end up far weaker and less versatile then BoTS beast when it counts, end game....