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The 2nd Demigod Community Tournament - Rules and Registration

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The 2nd Demigod Community Tournament - Rules and Registration

Pacov's Last Stand

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Welcome to the 2nd Demigod community tournament (Pacov's Last Stand) - rules and registration thread!   

UPDATE 1:  The scheduling thread has been opened.  Please head over there and post when you are available to play:  http://forums.impulsedriven.com/399006

UPDATE 2:  A new version of uberfix is available AND is required for the tournament.  Please see here and download/install:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399037

UPDATE 3:  The RESULTS thread has been opened.  Please head over there to track your wins/losses/replays:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399047

Update 4:  Registration is now closed.  Alternates are still allowed, but no new teams will be allowed to register at this point.

Update 5:  Added ventrilo (voice chat) server information for those of you that would like to use voice chat.  It also helps in finding people that are ready to play their matches!

Update 6:  The replay commentaries/discussions thread has been opened:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399150.  Check this thread out for news on live streaming events during the tournament along with commentaries and video for some of the games in this tournament!

This thread will cover all of the relevant rules and registration information.  Please see below for all of the details.

The tournament began on 10/16/2010.  Please be aware that this tournament will not begin and end on 10/16/2010.  It will actually take several weeks to complete. 

Background 

In April 2010, we started our first community demigod tournament.  The tournament was 2v2 and certain demigod selections were restricted.  The tourney carried a crash prize donated by people in the community and was won by the two man team of zen_god and King_of_thorns.  For more details on that tourney, read up here: (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/380837). 

Tournament Format

  • The tournament will be played as a 3v3 round robin tournament.  Round robin simply means that there is no elimination outside of disqualification.  Your team will play each and every team.  
  • Each match in the tournament will consist of 3 total games. 
  • We will track every win and loss.  The team with the most wins is the winner of the round robin portion of our tournament.
  • After the round robin has concluded, the top 4 teams will battle it out elimination style in the best 2 out of 3 games. 

Tournament Rules

  • All matches will be played on cataract with default settings (the only exceptions being AI HP on Very High and AI Gold/XP on low). 
  • Each team will play 1 round on the light side, then 1 round on the dark side.  In the 3rd round, if each team has 1 win, the team that had the fastest win in game 1 or 2 gets to pick the side they want to be on.  If one team already has 2 wins, the team with no wins gets to pick the side they want to be on (keep in mind the following rule). 
  • The team that is on the dark side must pick their characters and ready up first.  Then the team on the light side gets to pick and the dark side does not have a chance to adjust their characters.
  • Players using oak may not use spirits to perform a citadel rush.  Any player doing this will have their entire team disqualified for that game giving a win to the opposing team. If you don't know what this terminology means, odds are you aren't citadel rushing with spirits. 
  • Players MUST form their own teams
  • One player from each game must report their stats in.  We will open up a tournament stat tracking thread after the tournament begins. 
  • To track your wins, you must do the following - post the replay at gamereplays.org.  If you have issues with gamereplays, upload the file to rapid share and provide us with a link.  One player from the winning team should do this for each and every match. 
  • Each team must complete a minimum of 2 matches (6 games) per week.  If there are extenuating circumstances, then the decision making panel will review them.  Failure to complete 2 matches per week will result in a disqualification for your team. 
  • ALL teams are required to use the version of the uberfix mod here:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/399037

Alternates

  • Each team is allowed to have exactly 1 alternate
  • The alternate must not be participating in the tournament (either directly registered for the tournament or on a duplicate account). If it is discovered that the alternate is a player that is already in the tournament, but using a different account, all of those matches will be forfeited.
  • The same alternate cannot be used by multiple teams
  • If a team wins a cash prize with an alternate on their team, that team must determine how they will handle the prize money.  The decision making panel has nothing to do with how you choose to split up the money.

Prize 

There will be a cash prize > $600.  Jongalt will be handling the collection of the money for this tournament.  We are discussing the prize money in this linked thread:  http://forums.demigodthegame.com/398009.  We appreciate any contributions to the prize.  YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY TO PLAY IN THIS TOURNEY. 

Here is how we will be splitting the winnings from the pot:

  • 10% goes to the team that wins the round robin
  • 50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs
  • 25% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs
  • 15% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs
  • Participation raffle - 1 player from a team that has completed all of their games in the tournament will be entered into a random drawing after the tournament ends.  That player will receive a prize of $30 as incentive for finishing the tournament.  This money will be taken from the total cash pot before any other money is distributed by percentage.  Any player that has won a cash prize is NOT eligible for the participation raffle.

Demigod Selection

Each 3 man team must use the following formula to make their Demigod character selections based on a 7 point maximum.  Be aware that no duplicate demigods are permitted on the same team.  This means you cannot choose random.

  • Demon Assassin/Regulus - 1 point
  • Oculus/Queen of Thorns/Senda/Torch Bearer - 2 points
  • Lord Erebus/Oak/Rook/Unclean Beast - 3 points

Tournament Time Zone

The official time zone of the tournament is set for EST US time.  Players that are outside of that timezone are certainly welcome to play.  However, if there are significant scheduling difficulties due to players unable meet at the same time, the team furthest outside of the EST zone will most likely be disqualified or forfeit that match.  This rule does not excuse folks in the EST zone from any responsibility.  All parties in this tournament should endeavor to schedule their matches with other teams and try to be as flexible as possible. 

Decision Making Panel

This tournament will be governed by a decision making panel consisting of pacov, McShane, hedgie with Jongalt as an alternate.  The panel's purpose is as follows:

  • Review any scheduling issues and making the final decisions with regards to disqualification. 
  • Reviewing replays as required (crashes and desyncs)
  • Resolving any disputes that arise

The panel's decision on all matters will be the final word for this tournament. And last, the members of the decision making panel will not make any decisions on the games they are playing in.  We didn't have a panel in place for the first tournament and that was a mistake. 

How will we handle crashes

If there is a game crash, the players involved in that match should see if they can come to a consensus on the probable outcome of the match.  If there is no clear winner, the 2 teams should replay the match using the exact same demigods and sides (light/dark).  If there was a clear winner at that point in the game, then that team should be awarded the win.  If the 2 teams disagree on the outcome, then the decision making panel will review the replay of the match and render a decision.  Be aware that the decision making panel must agree that a specific team was going to win or the results will be thrown out and the match redone.  Please be thoughtful if you want the panel to review a match. 

How we will handle invalid game states

The lastgamereplay file is still created in the event of an invalid game state, so it is still possible to review the results of a match.  In the event of an invalid game state, players should attempt to resolve the issue exactly the same way as game crashes.  If you believe foul play occurred, submit the replay along with any screen shots, etc, as evidence and the decision making panel will review.  If there is a CLEAR consensus that a team is willingly triggering invalid game states, that team will be disqualified after a thorough review of the facts and will no longer be able to participate in the tournament.  If your game does crash, it might be advisable to take a screen shot of the crash as proof.  Be aware that we know invalid game states can occur without any sort of foul play, so please be mindful when submitting requests for review.

Current Teams:

  1. Soccermom, OMG_Zex, pacov
  2. Orcun, McShane, Defender
  3. beastmode, generalG, stiffyG
  4. IamKira, Mith, Zen_God
  5. bad daddy/chiefy/trousersnake
  6. jongalt/OMG_nomilarac/thundercles
  7. rwcupcrazy/pwnage_69/nojokes
  8. Iz_, Darz4, Darkliath
  9. Anneliese_the_Beserk/Udo_Juergins/Don_Doen
  10. Eltimes/Lols_SeaWolf/DreamCatcher
  11. OMG_jona__/4nana/kalel
  12. Nacelle, VulturePwns, LoCoJoK3R
  13. RobertMunch/FC-FuneralPortrait/DeadDemi
  14. Commando51, Rezzan, and T-Schert
  15. arkANG3L, swordguyj, and Firefromthesky
  16. brasher01/brokenstrong/beckad1(prozombe)
  17. Maxsteel32/Sebacoyl/Stilr
  18. Mortora/Nate_the_Great1992/SD_Zebrafox
  19. Bartleby/aberrator/nnnils\
  20. tsk-mandingo/ruiprsg_/kobzos

Registered Alternates:

Please be aware that other players are elligible to be an alternate based on the rules outlined in the alternates section.  I've simply left this list here so teams will know at least a few of the players that might be available as alternates. 

  1. busdude
  2. doggu
  3. gl-Spectre
  4. johnkout7
  5. jorune2112
  6. Kiamori
  7. OmicronLyrae
  8. Ouch-That-Hurts
  9. Renfri
  10. Rocchinho
  11. Taharos
  12. volen20

For any of you that would like to use it, we have a public ventrilo (voice chat) server that you are welcome to use for the tournament.  Even if you don't have a microphone, if only 1 person on your team does, it can be very useful to use voice chat (at least 11 of the registered teams will be using voice chat.  Why not you too?

Here's all of the info you need to get started:

Here is where you can download the client (its free): http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php

Here are instructions on how to use ventrilo to connect to a server:  http://www.ventrilo.com/setup.php

And here's the needed server info:

Server Name:  Lagwar's Ventrilo Server
Hostname:  oxygen.typefrag.com
Port: 50216

I have created some password protected channels for those of you that would like to use the server.  Scroll down until you see channel Oh My Demigod.  You will then see tournament channel 1/2/3.  The password for these channels are demigod.  Let me know if you have any questions. 

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Reply #526 from Demigod Forums Top

I was thinking about this last night. I was thinking of the following proposal (with the logic behind if afterwards). 

1) If a team has played less than 75% of their games, then all his games are removed and none of them count

2) If a team has played equal to or more than 75% of their games, then their remaining games are counted as "forfeits".

3) These are subject to board committee review

 

Logic:

A) Assume we have no people who will try to intentionally alter the standings of the players (this can be done regardless of what system we choose).

B) A team will, generally, drop out for one of two reasons:

1- An unexpected circumstance that doesn't allow them to play anymore (death in the family, loss of internet, the tourney takes wayyyy longer than they expected and they are going on vacation, etc).

2- They are losing over and over and over and it's unfun for them to continue playing. (this is one of the reasons I'm against the "always play 3 games" rule, because it makes weaker teams have to get stomped 50% more, which is really, really unfun. Games that are close enough to go 3 games, probably would have already most of the time).

 

Use Cases:

A team might start playing, then lose their first 4 matches, 0-3. Then they might drop out. This team probably sucked, and whether or not they were part of the tourney they wouldn't have changed the top-ranking teams, because the pro teams would have all swept them. Maybe a few of the other weaker or medium rankings might be changed by that team not playing, but they aren't making any money so it isn't a huge concern.

On the other hand, if a team plays 80% of their matches and loses every single game, except one single win, then decides to drop out... we have a similar situation. Since the remaining games are forfeits (and thus, a loss), and they have lost their games... unless the remaining teams weren't very good (unlikely, since why would they drop if that were the case?), the remaining teams would have stomped them too. Them dropping out only changes the ultimate score if the rest of the teams they would have played they could have beaten. If this team was really bad, then we are talking about the bottom-half of the ladder, and, again we don't care too much about them (:This also "punishes" the one team that lost to them. However, if they lost, then they probably are on the bottom half of the ladder...

Third, we have a team that wins exactly half their matches and loses the other half. However, they have to drop out due to a personal issue. If it's only been 2-3 matches, then it's almost impossible to predict what would happen for the remainder of their games. Removing them from the tourney is the best idea.

However, maybe they only have 2 matches left... Well, here is when it's tricky. In this situation, they have lots and lots of points involved and it's in a sort of random fashion. Removing all those games from the tourney will alter the standings of everyone. This is where we draw from the more professional league. They just flat-out forfeit. Yes, yes, it does give the few teams that they didn't play against an advantage. This scenario is the one that is most subject to exploitation (maybe 6th rank team is going against 2nd ranked team and they are friends and want to try to help them become ranked 1st). They could have done that already by intentionally playing and throwing the game. But, if they were ranked 6th and the other team was ranked 2nd, it's safe to assume the 2nd ranked team probably would have won at least 1, and probably 2 or more of the three games. So, forfeiting is really only giving the "good" teams 1 point that they only had a 50% chance of getting, and the other 2 points they would have had anyway.

If forfeiting against the weaker teams... then yes, it might shift around the bottom part of the ladder. Which, again we don't care about (:

 

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So that's my proposal.

Reply #527 from Stardock Forums Top

Pacov, this is possible but most unlikely. The reason is that team B should have an over all better score, if they are a better team. If all teams in the tournament were of equal skill in a perfect world, then I would say yes this is a big issue. On the other hand I think the decision making panel committee can weight that too if this will actually happen in the tournament and make their decision.
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Yeah - you make a fair point.  I say we set the rule so that so that if a team drops out, then all of those games will be removed (as if they never happened).  If we bump into the scenario I described, then the decision making panel can hash it out.  Jon's going to be tracking all of the stats, so we'll have all the data there to review as needed.  I think my original approach is ideal, but yeah - coming up with a replacement team of very similar skill level might be challenging (even though I do think I have a pretty good handle on overall skill level of the folks involved, blahblahblahblah). 

At any rate, I honestly don't think we have any better option available to us than to drop all games played by teams that leave the tourney.  But of course, I'd ask that everyone that is signing up be willing to play to the end.  Even if I might not end up in the final 4, I'm pretty sure that my team will play to the end. 

Unless someone comes up with a better way to handle this, we'll be going with the rule I put in bold above. 

I'd like to talk some about scheduling - I made a request on the other page to see if we can start ironing out when teams will be available (GENERALLY) to get their games in.  Please talk with you team and let me know your availability (day and time in EST).  We WILL NOT be scheduling matches for the folks that sign up for this tourney until we hit the final 4.  It will be the players responsibility to get their games in and if we know the expected availability of teams in advance, that will help everyone considerably. 

The tournament will officially begin on Oct 16th.  This doesn't mean that any or everyone has to play their first match on Oct 16th - its just the date that you can begin your tournament games and we'll have a result page up for everyone to report in their results.  I think we should set some expectations as to how many matches we expect a team to participate in per week.  I'm leaning towards a minimum requirement of 2 matches (6 games) per team per week. Obviously, if you could get everyone together at the same time, you could conceivably knock out all of your games for the tournament in short order, but for those folks that have scheduling conflicts, different timezones, or are just lousy about trying to contact folks to schedule a match - well, for them, a minimum requirement is important as I doubt we want to drag this thing out for several months.  Thoughts?

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Reply #528 from Demigod Forums Top

did you read my post, pacov :P

Reply #529 from Demigod Forums Top

@hedgie

This is a possible approach, but there is no flawless solution. If a team won more than 75% of the games but then decides it has lost all chances of getting to the top 4 or is just tired of playing, it will give teams free points they haven't played yet. This causes an unbalance to the teams that did play the 75% dropout team before they dropped out, because they had to fight hard for points and might have lost some points which teams afterwards got for free. I would put your suggestion as a guideline for the decision making panel how to weight specific circumstances.

It's like law, nothing is  foreseeable a 100%, but the application of the law is the most important thing. Like the supreme court, our decision making panel takes this position of the highest instance.

Reply #530 from Stardock Forums Top

I would put your suggestion as a guideline for the decision making panel how to weight specific circumstances.
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Tend to agree.  I'm reasonably confident the panel can sort things out as needed.  And yeah - I read what you wrote (but after I completed my previous post).  You have some good ideas there, but I think we should just create a simple rule and include the caveat that the panel will review as deemed appropriate. 

Reply #532 from Demigod Forums Top

We could give out a small "participation" prize for non-top4 teams that complete all their games?

I wonder if Frogboy might be able to help us out here? With maybe some impulse credit $$$ or free CDkey for stardock games rather then just a hard cash donation for this part of the sponsorship.

eg: All non top 4 teams who play all their games are entered into a random draw for "participating" in the tourney, and are awarded a small token for getting stomped by the tier 1 & 2 teams. :D

Reply #533 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Renfri, reply 534
Hi , I would like to register. Some team one  needed?? [email protected]
End of Renfri's quote

Hi, Renfri - I'm adding you to the register.

Reply #534 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 535
We could give out a small "participation" prize for non-top4 teams that complete all their games?

I wonder if Frogboy might be able to help us out here? With maybe some impulse credit $$$ or free CDkey for stardock games rather then just a hard cash donation for this part of the sponsorship.

eg: All non top 4 teams who play all their games are entered into a random draw for "participating" in the tourney, and are awarded a small token for getting stomped by the tier 1 & 2 teams.
End of LORD-ORION's quote

That is a good idea. Even a 10% off coupon for any impulse title or something.

Reply #535 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 535
We could give out a small "participation" prize for non-top4 teams that complete all their games?

I wonder if Frogboy might be able to help us out here? With maybe some impulse credit $$$ or free CDkey for stardock games rather then just a hard cash donation for this part of the sponsorship.

eg: All non top 4 teams who play all their games are entered into a random draw for "participating" in the tourney, and are awarded a small token for getting stomped by the tier 1 & 2 teams.
End of LORD-ORION's quote

This isn't a good idea... its a great idea!

It would help motivate people to finish the tourney which would be nice.

Reply #536 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 535
We could give out a small "participation" prize for non-top4 teams that complete all their games?

I wonder if Frogboy might be able to help us out here? With maybe some impulse credit $$$ or free CDkey for stardock games rather then just a hard cash donation for this part of the sponsorship.

eg: All non top 4 teams who play all their games are entered into a random draw for "participating" in the tourney, and are awarded a small token for getting stomped by the tier 1 & 2 teams.
End of LORD-ORION's quote

I really don't want to push things with Stardock all that much.  They are already being quite generous and with the adverts that are going out soon, hopefully we'll draw some new and old folks back in.  The idea of providing incentive for people to finish out the tourney is all well and good.  I think you came up with a reasonable option of providing a small prize through a random drawing for all but the top 4 that finish their games.  But that money would have to come out of the pot.  And I'm not sure how folks will feel about splitting the pot further.  I think its a good idea... which reminds me, we never did finish our discussion about how to allocate money to the winner(s). 

That is a good idea. Even a 10% off coupon for any impulse title or something.
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That might be an option...

Reply #537 from Demigod Forums Top

I think  regarding team drop outs hedgie's solution is the best.

Also yes pacov, i think there should definitely be minimum requirement of games that must be played each week. And i agree that the number should be at least 2. if each teams ends up playing 1match(3 games) a week then the tournament will last at least 3 months based on current number of teams including the finals and semifinals which i think is really too long.

Reply #539 from Demigod Forums Top

Just got the email from Stardock. That's pretty slick :D

Reply #540 from Stardock Forums Top

:)

Ok - item WE ARE sorting out today.  If you already commented on this topic and still feel the same way, please just post your vote.  I want to iron this out asap now that SD started the marketing. 

Prize for 1st place = ?

Prize for 2nd place = ?

Prize for 3rd place = ?

Price for winning the round robin = ?

Participation Raffle (this is for all teams that play all of their games but are not in the final 4 - we will have a raffle and 1 team will be chosen at random - and note - we aren't necessarily doing this) = ?

If at all possible, I'll be closing this out.  And side note - I'm hoping to be on tonight to get some more scrimmage games in - not sure as to soccer and cow's availability, but happy to do pick up games if needed.

Reply #541 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_Jongalt26, reply 479
Gentlemen,

First off, i thought we voted to do a full round robin tournament instead of a round robin to a bracket system.  With that in mind my suggestion is to have the playoffs as round robin as well. 

Playoff Suggestion 1

Each team of the top 4 plays each other for an additional 3 games.  A tie would result in a tie breaker.

Playoff Suggestion 2

If the above isn't acceptable then basically hedgies suggestion, which is any standard tournament: (each game consisting of 3 matches)

Game 1:  Team 1 versus Team 4

Game 2:  Team 2 versus Team 3

Game 3:  Loser of game 1 versus Loser of Game 2

Game 4:  Winner of Game 1 versus Winner of Game 2

 


 

Pot Split
There should absolutely be a percentage of the pot to go to the 3rd place team to make coming in 3rd place worthy of fighting for.

The anticipated pot is currently $700 so I will use this as a basis for my suggested break downs:

Pot Split 1

$90 goes to the team that wins the round robin

50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($305 for the team, $101.66 ea.)

30% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($183 for the team, $61 ea)

20% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs ($122 for the team,  $40.66 ea.)

 

Pot Split 2

10% goes to the team that wins the round robin ($70)

50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($315 for the team, $105 ea.)

25% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($157.5 for the team, $52.5 ea)

15% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs ($94.5 for the team,  $31.50 ea.)

 

Pot Split 3

$90 goes to the team that wins the round robin

55% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($335.5 for the team, $111.83 ea.)

30% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($183 for the team, $61 ea)

15% of the balance goes to the 3rd place winner of the playoffs ($91.5 for the team,  $30.50 ea.)

 

Pot Split 4

10% goes to the team that wins the round robin ($70)

50% of the balance goes to the winner of the playoffs ($315 for the team, $105 ea.)

40% of the balance goes to the 2nd place winner of the playoffs ($252 for the team, $84 ea)

 

 

 


 

Does anyone else have any other suggestions?  Keep in mind that the winner of the initial round robin will definitely be one of the 4 winners of the playoffs. 

 


 

Please cast your vote or provide a suggestion in regards to the playoff type so we can get a feel for what people want.  If you have pledged to donate please cast your vote for the pot split or provide a suggestion (anyone should feel free to provide suggestions for the pot split)

 

Currently my votes are

Playoff Suggestion 1

Pot Split 1

 
End of OMG_Jongalt26's quote

 

I pick pot split 2 and participation raffle is always fun. reminds me of my childhood lol

Reply #542 from Demigod Forums Top

"Participation Raffle", i think this is needed. other than that i am ok with anything.

Reply #543 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_Teseer, reply 542
Just got the email from Stardock. That's pretty slick
End of OMG_Teseer's quote

where is my e-mail :\

Reply #544 from Demigod Forums Top

hrmm what is the reward with the participation raffle?

haha maybe we could do savings bonds lol (JJ)

Reply #545 from Stardock Forums Top

hrmm what is the reward with the participation raffle?

haha maybe we could do savings bonds lol (JJ)
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If we do it, it will likely be money coming out of the pot. 

Reply #546 from Demigod Forums Top

I think participation raffle is a great incentive to keep the tourney going. I hope even teams that expect to win part of the pot will see that, and hopefully more players means more money for the pot.

That said, I need to put my money where my mouth is and pony up for the pot. You can put me down as a paying participant.

I don't really care how the pot is split.

Reply #547 from Demigod Forums Top

you can add me to the tourney.

Reply #548 from Demigod Forums Top

who is defender and why did he steal my spot?

Reply #549 from Demigod Forums Top

so.. it's a little over a week away and 15 people still haven't formed a team.  Are you planning on doing the same thing as last tourney where you just form random teams of those people (and have most of them drop out) ?

Either way.. if you don't have a team yet, get in contact with other people who don't have a team and make one. There is only a little over 1 week until registration is over!

Reply #550 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Kiamori, reply 550
you can add me to the tourney.
End of Kiamori's quote

yes! i was hoping you would come !